The Dropmaster can be used to remove antifreeze solution but you would still 
need to pull (and then replace) every pendent sprinkler to get all of the 
antifreeze out of every drop if your intention is to truly get as much of the 
previous antifreeze solution out of the system as possible.  The 
water/antifreeze solution in a drop only gets sucked out by the Dropmaster when 
the sprinkler is removed – it won’t pull the water/antifreeze solution out of 
drop with the sprinkler still installed.  You need air to be pulled in through 
where the sprinkler was to carry the water up and out of the drop.  Here is a 
video of the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp-p-aVROOs&t=77s.  
Notice at 1:17 how the water in the drop isn’t being removed until the 
sprinkler is removed.

In regards to the need to remove the previous antifreeze solution from each 
drop, NFPA 25 makes the following comment in the annex of NFPA 25 (A.5.3.4 in 
the current, 2024 edition):

Where systems are drained in order to be refilled, it is not typically 
necessary to drain drops. Most systems with drops have insufficient volume to 
cause a problem, even if slightly higher concentration solutions collect in the 
drops. For drops in excess of 36 in. (915 mm), consideration should be given to 
draining drops if there is evidence that unacceptably high concentrations of 
antifreeze have collected in these long drops.

I struggled with this statement myself given how strict listings are so I 
reached out to a manufacturer when listed products started coming to market.  
At that time, that manufacturer agreed with the statement.  I’d still get your 
manufacturer’s opinion though to be sure.

Thank you,
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If you use the dropmaster properly you can get nearly all of the water out to 
the point that when you pull a head you get just drops of water. I would do it 
with the antifreeze, fill and repeat a couple of times to make certain there 
wasn't enough antifreeze left to create a problem with mixing. We would use the 
DM and then pull a few heads to see what we had and if it was as empty as we 
expect, I would not have a problem refilling it with new.
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Dropmasters work great, but I wouldn’t rely on it to pull all the existing 
antifreeze out of every drop just by pulling a few. I have no idea on the 
potential mixing of the two solutions, but my personal opinion would be that 
Freezemaster is pretty expensive. The customer is paying for it, might as well 
make sure it’s all new. It shouldn’t take more than a day or two to drain 100 
drops with a couple guys working  (if the system drains well), so I would take 
the time to pull them out and make sure it’s clear. I haven’t tried to use a 
dropmaster on antifreeze though but with water it will suck a head into the RC 
from a foot away if it is working correctly.



Thanks,

Caleb



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I have a client with a rather large (330 gallon) antifreeze system that is 
looking to upgrade to an approved solution. There are approximately 100 pendent 
sprinklers on either straight drops or swing joints. The contractor has 
proposed pulling a few drops and using a Dropmaster to try and drain the rest 
of them. I have no personal knowledge of how effective a Dropmaster is. Would 
using this be acceptable? Is there a way to tell if it worked? If there was a 
small amount of glycerine solution remaining, would that be a compatibility 
issue with Freezemaster? I will probably contact Lubrizol as well but am also 
looking for experience.



Todd G Williams, PE

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Stonington, CT

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