If you have a set-back deficiency and the project was permitted with the 
upgraded sprinkler system as a condition of approval, it’s perfectly legit.   
Before you designed the system, did the owner or their agent inform you that 
there were alternative means and methods required?    I would first ask them, 
because if the situation is what LACFD informed you that it is, then the owner 
has almost certainly been informed of these upgrades in writing and the 
information wasn’t conveyed to the construction team.   Did you look at the 
code analysis in the plans to see if it’s there?   Are you the contractor or a 
contract designer?    If you’re a 3rd party, did the contractor bid off of 
plans that may include this information and  they’re the ones that didn’t 
convey to you?

Steve L.




From: Owen Evans <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Modified 13D System per FD

I designed a standard 13D system for a new SFR in Hermosa Beach Ca.. The city 
of Hermosa Beach contracts with LA County for their fire protection.

I received corrections requiring a 4 head calculation, heads in all 
compartments and attic, and under all exterior overhangs. They call it a 
modified 13D system.

I spoke with the plans examiner and he stated this is an LA country requirement 
with approval from the city of Hermosa Beach. I asked for the amendment that 
allows this “modified 13D” system. He stated that because the SFR encroaches 
into the 5’ setback,  it’s an alternate means and method, no amendment 
required. This is going to result in a significant cost increase.

Is this situation legit?

Owen Evans




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