Asking for a friend. If I had a field adjustable PRV hose valve and adjusting, 
would I be flowing 750gpm at the roof and then open the hose valve and flow 
another 250gpm?

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The requirements of NFPA-14 for the standpipe hose valves are maximum 175-psi 
static outlet pressure and minimum 100-psi residual outlet pressure while 
flowing 250-gpm through the hose valve.
If your pump source is from the city mains, then make it easy on yourself and 
select a PRV hose valve that will provide maximum 165-psi static outlet 
pressure.
This should allow you to use whatever residual inlet pressure while flowing the 
750-gpm total standpipe demand and still provide the minimum 100-psi residual 
outlet pressure.

I used the 165-psi static outlet pressure cause the pump inlet pressure may 
vary up/down which will vary the pump static outlet pressure which may raise 
the static outlet pressure over 175-psi.

If the pump source has a constant pressure like an elevated tank, then select a 
PRV that will provide a maximum 175-psi outlet pressure.

Just my opinion but if you select a PRV based on the maximum static outlet 
pressure then this should allow a bit more than the 100-psi minimum outlet 
pressure. Check the charts to verify this.
Don’t select a PRV based on providing just the minimum outlet pressure.
I think that the fire department will appreciate any extra pressure to offset 
the friction loss through their fire hoses.
Rick Matsuda

On Oct 31, 2023, at 7:24 AM, Eric Rieve <[email protected]> wrote:



Micah,



Looking at the spec sheet from Zurn I agree with Travis that you use your 
expected residual pressure while flowing the full system demand of 750gpm. I 
haven’t installed this valve myself, but you’ll notice on the residual pressure 
charts that the bonnet type curve lines stop well below 175psi. So, while you 
may pick a 120psi outlet pressure while flowing 750gpm, the extra play in the 
curve should allow the valve to maintain an outlet pressure below 175psi when 
being tested individually at 250gpm.



Hope this helps!

Eric Rieve, SET

Rieve Fire Protection



From: Micah Davis <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 6:53 AM
To: SprinklerForum <[email protected]>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Pressure Regulating Valves Residual Pressures



Good morning, Forum!  I hope everyone is having a great week!!



I think I got this right, but someone is questioning me.  I have an automatic 
standpipe with factory pressure-regulating valves (i.e., Zurn 4000).  When 
calculating residual pressures at the inlet of the PRV to be used in the sizing 
charts, the question is, how much water should I be flowing in the system?  One 
suggestion is only flowing 250 gpm at the hose valve you are sizing.  The other 
suggestion is flowing the system demand flow per NFPA 14.  In this case, that 
would be 750 gpm (250 gpm at each of the two most remote hose valves plus 250 
gpm at the top of the only other standpipe).  We are in agreement that the 
calculation should be a source calc to determine the actual pressure provided 
by the system.



Thank you,

Micah Davis

Ferguson Fire Design

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