Regardless of your legal opinions on the matter, please refrain from pricing discussions as Bob stated earlier.
As a reminder this forum has a specific set of rules that you agreed to when you signed up. Failure to adhere to the following will result of a loss in posting privileges. 1. *Never, ever discuss pricing issues.* Doing so can be construed as a violation of anti-trust laws and can endanger the continuation of the SprinklerForum and the tax-exempt status of AFSA. Due to the sensitivity of these issues, those who violate this rule will not be allowed to post messages in the future. Note there is a difference in pricing and costs. It is OK to say the AHJ charges a certain fee for inspections. It is NOT OK for you to say you price your fees at $XXX per inspection. Any time someone can compare their pricing (not costs) to yours, you are on dangerous grounds. 2. *Never, ever use the Forum to solicit employment or advertise for open positions*. This is a technical Forum, not a job forum. 3. *Never, ever use the Forum to promote yourself or your company or solicit business*. 4. *Never use the Forum as a method to email a single individual*. Over 700 people receive email from this Forum, so stop and think before you click “send.” Do those 700 people want to see your reply? If not, then send your message by private email — not the SprinklerForum. 5. *Never argue*. You may disagree with an interpretation or an answer and you should disagree respectfully. If you can’t respond respectfully, don’t respond. 6. *Don't Go off technical topics.* This Forum does not exist to pass along personal stories, jokes or opinions not related to technical issues. When subscribers go off on a non-technical tangent, we get flooded with emails asking “can’t you control these people and keep them on technical topics!” Happy Festivus! On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:43 PM å... .... via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > I don't always agree with Steve, but on this I could not agree with Steve > MORE. Open discussion of pricing is the opposite of price fixing. > What forum is better for discussing pricing? > Surely not the NFPA, who can't even reveal how they select new > committee members. > I know your warning, Mr. Caputo, is meant to protect this Forum, and > respect for that. > I do not perceive how Steve's comment is anywhere near the line. > There need be a place to talk openly about money numerically. > This is because after preserving their own reputations and salary, money is > the next most important issue to management and most of their decisions. > > Let in the marketplace determine where the line is. > We had White House Executive Branch employees leaking free > international marketing spots for a federal employee's jewelry side-hustle > jewelry business. > Where is the line on talking marketing and money? > > There has been a steady erosion of press freedoms in the last several years > (with but a handful of private-source exceptions* bucking this trend ) > > Stifling honest debate (in particular numerical debate) is an effective way > to not just paralyze a democracy, but it can pave the road to the end of > civilization. > Sounds extreme? Review humanities geopolitical history. > Some things are worth fighting for. Freedom of numerical expression and > open talk about money are worth fighting for. > As far as I can see, democracy has not been doing so well lately. I > respect your viewpoint Mr. Caputo. I agree with your goal: to keep the > AFSA forum open. > But for the advancement of accurate judgment, numbers in debate need be > increased in use, not reduced. > And money, money is arguably one of the most important numerical > measurements we make > We need more, not less, money-numbers in debate. > Government regulators who are too thick to separate price fixing from our > healthy debate here, need be demoted a pay grade. > > > * Private-source exceptions to the trend of capping open, honest numerical > debate: > > 1. Dalio at Bridgewater Hedge Funds, > 2. Netflix's Reed Hasting > 3. Musk, when he is not pumping and dumping DogeCoin (which I argue IS > price fixing) > > Best of the rest of the year to all, > > Scot Deal > Excelsior Fire Engineering > gms: +420 606 872 129 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
