The cost here is the key, If you have only a few users, that's one
thing. I manage 10,000 users, so those services would cost me between
70k and 150k a year... That's 3-4 good admins worth of salary for what
the yearly subscription would cost, Since using SA I have only 1
technician doing the maintenance on the SA boxes (Along with him doing
100 billion other things) for me SA is the best choice for the money. 

This article is fairly typical... The "Commercial" Software tested were
all current versions, yet SA most defiantly was not.. I mistake? Either
way the results were skewed by the version of SA. It's not that
different from when MS tested Windows against Linux. The windows
platform got tweeks from MS engineers, while the Linux platform was
mis-configured and was a base install. Anyone in the scientific
community would laugh at any results reproduced from such as test, as
the baseline settings were not all equal. Is SA the easiest thing to
setup, No, in all reality I am sure those other products are easier, But
when you look at the costs involved, ease of installation is not a good
criteria for selecting software, The main criteria is does it do what
you need it to and is there anything else out there, easy to install or
not, which does the same thing for a lower cost per year and which is
just as reliable. 

I am all for pointing out the short comings of software, many open
source products cause me to pull my hair out in frustration due to poor
Docs, things that don't work, and things that work but not as they are
supposed to.  However time and time again, the end result is that MOST
open source software is more cost effective in the end than most
commercial software if you look at the true cost of ownership. 

Just my 2 cents.

Mark Spieth 

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:30 AM
To: Kenneth Porter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Really bad Infoworld article

Kenneth,
Here is my original response to this editor.


Hello,
I recently read your article on:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/11/14/45FEspam_2.html

I just need to say a few things, First of all, why did you use such an
old
version of SpamAssassin?

You compared last years SpamAssassin with this years spam, of cource you
will not see good results!  Programs need to be updated!

I bet you downloaded the newest and greatest versions of all those
commercial packages, why didn't you update SpamAssassin to it's newest
version?

I am sure SpamAssassin would have done much better than those commercial
packages if the admin knew how to properly use it.

SpamAssassin 2.4 is really out-dated, it's missing Bayes and thousands
of
other fixes that make it a better product.

I had a good laugh on your article, you say "Spend the 10 or 20 per
month
per year for one of the commercial services", sir Dialup ISPs only
receive
10-20 per month from their clients, how are we supposed to afford
everything
else when all our money goes to commercial e-mail services which we can
do
for free on our own in our spare time?




Kenneth Porter wrote:
> --On Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:35 AM -0500 Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>> I gave this guy a piece of my mind!
>
> Care to cc a copy to the SA list? Hopefully you don't mean that you
were
> antagonistic. Too many open source advocates sound like the crazy aunt
in
> the attic, which alienates the corporate decision makers.
>



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