So it is clear spammers don't clean their lists.

This might indicate that tying up spammer resources will not have much of an effect. 
They already are wasting a ton of resources with invalid addresses, a few more won't 
push them over the top. Apparently, even with extremely low delivery success rates, 
spammers are still able to make money.

Maybe the resource war will work, but only if a huge amount of people/organizations 
participate. Even then it still might not matter.

I personally feel that domain registrar's can have a big impact in all of this. All 
money-making spam has to link up with some sort of commission system. If you look 
through email source, you eventually find these url's (with valid domains) that point 
to web marketing companies, aka people who pay the commissions to spammers.

I noticed a lot of spam which uses internetbankroll.com, I tried to see if 
www.bestregistrar.com would revoke that domain since the company obviously promotes 
and rewards spamming. Even though spam was a violation of their usage policy, 
bestregistrar.com told be point blank that they will never revoke a domain, unless for 
non-payment. They just point the clause in their policy to look good.

If spammers and their commission partners loss the ability to operate with domain 
names, it makes things difficult very difficult.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: E R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:31 PM
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Re: [OT] What is next step?


if I may point out an anecdote, I left a dialup isp 7 years ago, when I worked for 
them as a consultant 2 years ago, they recreated my account.
The first 100 or so emails to that address were spam...  Apparently that address was 
still selling well after 4-5 years of deletion...

Alan Hodgson wrote:

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:13:52AM -0400, VonEssen, John wrote:
  
We also assume that they clean their list when address appears to be bad.
    

I've seen no evidence of this.  The only thing I've seen for certain is
that the older an E-mail address is (once it has gotten on at least one
spammer's list), the more spam it gets.  Regardless of whether it's bounced
or not.  Spammers are still selling each other E-mail addresses I haven't
used in 4 years.

  


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