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Hello Chris,

Thursday, August 7, 2003, 7:04:58 AM, you wrote:

RM>> - From my point of view, spam detection should be handled by
RM>> 1) distributed rules (with a few score modifications if appropriate)

CS> Yup. Adjust to taste.

RM>> 2) DSNBLs

CS> But some may not be able to use. I unfortunetly have to do business
CS> with countries that are spam havens. I can't afford the FPs on a
CS> business level.

What problems do you run into? With which countries? I'm handling a fair
amount of business email from Asia and Mexico and haven't noticed any
problem.

RM>> 3) Bayes

CS> Some may not be able to use, or use easily. This is due to server
CS> setups. I'm one of these at the moment. I will attempt w/ 2.60 SA.

My sympathies.

RM>> 4) blacklists (I haven't praised William Stearns' collection
RM>> in the last
RM>>    five minutes, have I?)

CS> I believe these should be at the lower level before SA. Why waste the
CS> cycles :)

Because some of us may not be able to use, or use easily.  :-)  As an
end-user on a virtual domain server, I don't seem to have direct access
to procmail or other methods of implementing blacklists before SA.
Blacklists within SA are functional and well worth while for me.

RM>> 5) personal rules
 
CS> Which leaves me with basically 1 and 5. :)

CS> Don't get me wrong, I was excited about Bayes! Still am. But because
CS> of my setup, I had to put it aside. ... 

CS> I figured others might be in same boat. Admins not wanting to explain
CS> to users how to feed bayes. ISPs not wanting to use DNSBLs. ect....

I really don't see a need to explain to users how to feed bayes.  My
server provided an SA on/off switch back in May, and I turned it on for
one of my domains. I liked the results. Before I knew it, Bayes had
trained and was trapping spam for me. auto-learn is quite sufficient on
its own as far as I'm concerned -- feeding bayes specific emails is a
nice-to-have feature which can give an incremental benefit, but it's not
necessary.

Bob Menschel

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