>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Byrnand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Daniel Quinlan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Blocked File Attachment (OT)
>
>
>> At 21:46 26/06/03 -0700, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
>> >Simon Byrnand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > > <offtopic rant>
>> > >
>> > > *SIGH*
>> > >
>
> Guys, it's not quite as stated before here. The headers of that particular
> e-mail clearly show that the virus was posted to this mailinglist, it was
> not merely a forged from: address.

Umm, I actually did point out that the To: address was the mailing list
post address in my message, I never said otherwise. The virus was indeed
posted to the list, but for some reason, nobody has yet picked up on my
comment that the virus scanners are not *replying* to the list, (read the
messages and its obvious) the messages we're getting are because the
simple minded and broken virus scanners are sending the message to the
address in the "To:" header of the message body.

Probably because they use some kind of simplistic message re-injection
arrangement where the "filtered" message (or virus report) is just
reinjected back into the input of the mailserver instead of incorporating
the virus scanner as a filter.

This method of integrating a virus scanner (or spam filter for that
matter) into a mailserver is just plain broken, and trivially exploitable
to use as a virus/spam amplifier and/or redirector...

> My qmail-scanner quarantined it and is
> intelligent enough to recognize the sender is a mailinglist and didn't
> send
> a notification. Great work by the programmer of qmail-scanner.

Indeed, and thats how it should be done. If you're going to reply to the
sender at all it should be the envelope-sender address you reply to, since
its effectively a delivery failure. (Message blocked due to a virus)

But IMHO a virus scanner should never reply to the sender these days, as
the majority of viruses now forge the from address, including the
envelope-from so innocent parties receive bogus virus warnings all the
time, which in fact, is just another form of spam. (Thats the ontopic part
of this message :)

Regards,
Simon


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