On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:38 AM, James Alexander <[email protected]> wrote:
> And honestly unless we're commemorating a famous bank robbery or something > posting anything along those lines would make me a whole lot more > uncomfortable. > Oh, I certainly agree with Joe and you that we shouldn't start tweeting negative facts about people. That wasn't the suggestion, rather that for controversial topics, @wikipedia should not join the fray (on one of the sides) at all. Or if we do, it should be consciously, on purpose and based on our values - say when we tweet about the NSA lawsuit. > In the end I think it is totally fine to respect and celebrate people from > all walks including Jobs and I'm happy to see us do this more. > Well, I hope @wikipedia will stay out of "celebrating" candidates in ongoing political elections, for example. Even if we could surely get lots of RTs and attention out of it ;) > > The good and the great the capitalist, communist, libertarian or > republican and everything in between, above or below: Wikipedia and other > Wikimedia projects document them all and I think we can advertise that fact > while staying well within our movement mission and values. > Agree, that universal coverage is a great fact to advertise about WP. Not sure a single fact about a single person expresses it fully, though. > Almost every great person (or for that matter many great events) has both > good and bad whether they be Jobs, Gates, Bush or Stallman (who I'd > honestly argue is at least as bad to tweet about for us as jobs but would > support). I don't think this post is anywhere close to the line. > OK, while I agreed with Ivan's and Victor's concerns and wouldn't have sent that tweet myself, we can surely move on on this. What's worth discussion thouhg is the general assumption (which my initial post was a response to) that simply because we link to Wikipedia and highlight a fact from it, we are automatically in the clear. As demonstrated abundantly in the past in the case of certain Mediterranean topics, the general public and large parts of our community don't agree ;) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > James Alexander > Legal and Community Advocacy > Wikimedia Foundation > +1 415-839-6885 x6716 > > > On Oct 7, 2015, at 04:06, Joe Sutherland <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I think it'd look pretty petty if we were to post something negative about > the man. I'm under the impression that it's best to err on the side of > being positive/nice unless the person we're posting about is objectively a > bad person. > > Joe > > On 7 October 2015 at 08:32, Tilman Bayer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, but we still made a value decision in choosing to highlight a >> positive fact from his bio that portrays him in a certain light, rather >> than something about his downsides. I think the man deserves respect, and >> of course there is a ton of things to learn from Apple's success, but in >> several ways the values he stands for are indeed diametrically opposed to >> Wikipedia's. >> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Jeff Elder <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If we're posting links to our content, I think we're on solid ground. >>> People can have all sorts of feelings about Apple and Jobs and still want >>> to know the facts about him. >>> >>> Jeff Elder >>> Digital communications manager >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> 704-650-4130 >>> @jeffelder <https://twitter.com/JeffElder> >>> @wikipedia <https://twitter.com/wikipedia> >>> The Wikimedia blog <https://blog.wikimedia.org/> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ivan Martínez <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have the same feeling than Victor. Jobs represented a company with >>>> some opposed values to our movement perhaps a lot of wikimedians are >>>> AppleFans :P >>>> >>>> 2015-10-05 13:59 GMT-05:00 Victor Grigas <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> I'll just say this - >>>>> Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > You're right! Will dehyphenate and post >>>>> > >>>>> > Jeff Elder >>>>> > Digital communications manager >>>>> > Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> > 704-650-4130 >>>>> > @jeffelder >>>>> > @wikipedia >>>>> > The Wikimedia blog >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> J >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Jump in there with this? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who >>>>> gave him >>>>> >>> a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Jeff Elder >>>>> >>> Digital communications manager >>>>> >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> >>> 704-650-4130 >>>>> >>> @jeffelder >>>>> >>> @wikipedia >>>>> >>> The Wikimedia blog >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss <[email protected] >>>>> > >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does >>>>> as >>>>> >>>> well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>>> >>>> Michael Guss >>>>> >>>> Research Analyst >>>>> >>>> Wikimediafoundation.org <http://wikimediafoundation.org> >>>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> Social-media mailing list >>>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Sent from a device with a small keyboard with big fingers :) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Social-media mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Social-media mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Victor Grigas >>>>> Storyteller and Video Content Producer >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Social-media mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Iván Martínez* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Presidente - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid @protoplasmakid* >>>> >>>> Hemos creado la más grande colección de conocimiento compartido. 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