Ode Coyote wrote: > There are about 3 or 4..maybe 5.. different silver oxides and peroxides > possible and we rarely differentiate between them. > I would expect each to have very different properties. > At least 2 are found in EIS, maybe at different times and in different places > at different times. [Ag2O and AgO]
There is silver hydroxide AgOH, silver oxide Ag2O, and two silver peroxides AgO and AgO2 according to my CRC handbook (except it does not mention silver hydroxide). > > > To call silver hydroxide [AgOH] a silver oxide and lump that into the same > catagory without saying it was done is confusing. Maybe that's technically > correct, but to me...It's not an 'oxide', it's a 'hydroxide'. That would be silver hydroxide. > > > Could we say that 'oxides' are various silver and oxygen configurations > without the hydrogen componant? Yes, oxide should be Ag2O, and AgO or Ag2O2 should be silver peroxide. > > > Quoting from Van Nostrands: > > Silver 1 oxide = AgO No, this is silver peroxide. > Silver 2 oxide = Ag20 [Also considered as silver peroxide] [Formed when ozone > reacts with silver...possibly when hydrogen peroxide reacts with silver ions? > ..similar 'danglie' unstable oxygen atom. If oxygen coming off that electrode > is mono atomic, what then?] No this is silver oxide. > > Silver 3 oxide = Ag2O3 [found in impure form made by anodic oxidation of > silver]...what's the impurity? Ag2O?, plain Ag? ..doesn't say.] Don't find it in my CRC, just Ag2O2 which is the true form of crystaline AgO. > > > I also found a 4th silver oxide on-line a while back. > > Silver chloride dissolves in HCL with the formation of such chloroargenate > ions a AgCl2]- and [AgCl3]2-... and possibly [AgCl4]3- True, those are the silver chloride complexes I have mentioned that are soluble, the reason the solubility curve for silver chloride turns back up when you add additional chloride ions to the solution. > > > Silver forms several compounds or complexes with proteins by the action of > silver oxide with geletin in alkali solution, or with albunim [albumin], or > by suspension in casein solution and by other methods. [MSP, soluable in H20] > > A google of albumin and albunim gets interestingly way over my medical head. > [Not hard to do] > Coating efficiency of -acid glycoprotein in competitive enzyme ... > ... as a result of blocking, and casein solution is more. effective than > bovine serum albumin ... blocking ( ); 2% casein solution ( > ... with lowered levels of allergy causing protein or increased casein > levels... > ... indicate the product contains sodium caseinate (a milk derivative) > Ammonium Caseinate Sodium Caseinate Casein Solution > > ####################################################################### > > Speculation: > Silver oxide is used in good batteries. What about the action of silver or > silver oxide and iron or other metals in the blood... all floating about in a > saline electrolyte swapping ions around? There are natural elecrical currents > in there somewhere too. [Could a nerve impulse do a charge or discharge > cycle? ..escpecially if the insulation was compromised?] > > Rechargeable (Secondary) Batteries on GlobalSpec > ... Iron-silver batteries have been used in special electronics applications. > The iron-silver oxide batteries have a high energy density and a high cycle > ... > cmpmedia.globalspec.com/help/spechelp.html?name=Rechargeable_ > Batteries&comp=3209§ionid=2 - 18k - > > Silver oxide batteries (AgO) are noted for their high energy density and > power density. The silver electrode is high cost, and this has limited the > use of the silver oxide batteries to applications such as lightweight medical > and electronic equipment, submarines, torpedoes, and space applications. The > silver-zinc cell has the highest energy per unit weight and volume. Other > silver oxide batteries are silver-cadmium and silver-iron. > > I have also read about silver precipitating out of silver *something* in the > presence of iron , but don't recall the specifics. Silver will precipitate out as a metal when exposed to a metal that has a higher electopotential. Thus it will plate out on copper, and and also iron if I remember right. A standard test for silver ions (ie silver nitrate) is to put some copper into the solution and see if it turns silver colored. Marshall > > > Ivan and Frank go at it: [Duck!] > http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/silver.html#DOES%20HYDROCHLORIC%20ACID%20IN%20THE%20STOMACH%20RENDER%20IONIC-COLLOIDAL%20%A0SILVER%20INEFFECTIVE,%20AS%20CLAIMED? > > Ode > > At 03:38 PM 4/1/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > > >http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/pdf/6.pdf > > > >For solubility products we have this in the table: > > > >Ag2O (Silver oxide) 1.52 x 10-5 (AgOH) > > > >What does that mean? We already know (or believe) that silver hydroxide > >becomes silver oxide when it drys out. Does this mean that it goes back to > >being silver hydroxide when it dissolves back into water again? And is > >that the solubility product for silver oxide or silver hydroxide, or both, > >or does silver oxide not exist when dissolved in water? > > > >Also that table indicates that silver oxide (hydroxide) is about 100 times > >a soluble as silver chloride, so the limit for that should be about 98 ppm, > >but other references list the solubility of silver oxide at about 13 ppm. > >It sure confuses things that many of these number do not appear to be > >consistant between different references. > > > >Interesting questions though. > > > >Marshall > > > >[email protected] wrote: > > > >> Silver Listers, > >> > >> The key word is "Oligodynamic & Ag+". > >> > >> And I'm not referring to Frank Key!! > >> > >> Search using Google "Oligodynamic" -- > >> "oligodynamic", "Ag+". Also try NO caps -- all lower case!! > >> > >> The BIG QUESTION IS the following: How does one make > >> consistant "Oligodynamic" EIS. i.e. with silver > >> chunks at or smaller than 10.0 nano meters > >> > >> Many or most of us don't know what the size of our silver ions > >> or chunks are -- it's expensive to use a lab. > >> > >> What does a lab analysis cost? Does anyone have any recent experience? > >> > >> Frank Key's website claims that IONIC SILVER is of > >> little value, being a "DISSOLVED" form not having > >> "adequate surface area for contact with bacteria". > >> Has the list discussed Frank's take on this? > >> > >> Would not a DISSOLVED form get into tissues and into > >> "Virus Bodies", thus acting in a "below 10NM" manner? > >> The Prof. RJ Gibbons leaflet, seems to make the point > >> of "surface area" being important. > >> > >> The archives do mention "Oligodynamic" CS -- consider this an update -- > >> These articles are recent and to say the least interesting!! > >> > >> in SILvation, Douglas H > >> > >> -- > >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >> > >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >> > >> To post, address your message to: [email protected] > >> Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >> > >> Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >> > >> List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005 > > > >--=======AVGMAIL-424E95A0258E======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; > >charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3CAF608C Content-Transfer-Encoding: > >quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG > >certification" > > No virus found in this outgoing message. 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