Trem wrote: > Mike et al, > > I contacted Stephen Quinto yesterday via email to ask him about the test > since I was not sure what I was reading on his site. Here is what he told > me today > > "There was NO media in the challenge. I don't suppose anyone carefully read > the propocol. The challenge was carried out in pure lab-quality water for a > very short period, minutes. The results were immediately plated out ON the > media, not in it, so that if there were any survivors amongst the bacteria > then they would have a nutrient to feed off and redevelop."
In that case I see nothing wrong with the protocol. I don't understand how the bacteria are removed from the "challenge" liquid without getting any of the CS or ionic silver on the agar during the transfer. > > > This seems to change everything once more doesn't it? I had thought this > was the question when I posted this a couple of days ago. > > "Since I'm only an amateur at culture work (used to culture mushroom > strains) > I fail to see why the test isn't valid. It seems he is trying to show that > when Staph is mixed with dilute hydrochloric acid and further mixed with > dilute silver of colloidal and ionic content that one set of cultures had a > better kill rate. I wasn't aware the test involved growing onto the plate. > I thought the plates were used only because they were a sterile medium that > would not inhibit growth and would not influence the kill rate. What am I > missing here? > > So, is the debate still an open one? I think so. Yes, it is difficult to reconcile the differences between these results and Frank's. The only big difference I see is the protocol. Could it be that silver particles kill when the bacteria is multiplying, like many off the shelf anitbiotics? That would explain it, but I have never seen any indication that CS only works on dividing bacteria, so I doubt that is the answer. I am going to have to think about this a while and see if I can come up with a valid hypothesis that is likely and can be tested. Marshall > Stephen also says he has > done some other studies. Here is what he said. > > "We are currently doing a lot of 3rd party work, including comparative > bacteriology, the results of which will blow everyone away anyway. The early > results show Argentyn to be, on average, at least two logs superior to any > of the competitive brands, including mesosilver. BTW, two logs means 100x! > We're also doing third party TEM work at Georgia State, which will also > confirm recent work we did at U of Miami. I think we'll publish the U of > Miami Med School work now too." > > Trem > www.silvergen.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. G. Devour" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 6:04 PM > Subject: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? > > > Hi gang, > > > > I wonder if the Ionic vs. Colloidal debate has had enough time now to > > begin to reach some consensus? > > > > Could maybe Trem, Marshall and/or Frank summarize what has been agreed > > to, learned, proven, disproven, or marked for futher study as a result > > of all this voluminous verbiage? <grin> > > > > It seems to have been a fruitful discussion, but we need to be > > sensitive to the fact that newcomers are not going to be able to get > > very much from such detailed information. If the topic continued much > > longer we'd start to lose people from confusion and boredom. > > > > Again, I'm not demanding a hard and fast cut-off, but am suggesting > > that we may be ready for a summary? > > > > Thank you folks, > > > > Mike Devour > > silver-list owner > > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > > [[email protected] ] > > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 > > > >
