On 12/14/2012 1:20 PM, mgperrault wrote:
Thanks Marshall
Of course I was being a little facetious to illustrate that some metal
is getting stuck, even if you cant see a discoloration, and then the
inappropriate attitude of downplaying the concerns of this. I hadnt
heard that silver crystals form at a threshold level and this is what
causes the silver to lodge in the tissue. Good information, but is
there a reference for this?
Not sure, but it is known that argyria is caused by particles stuck in
the tissue, and it is known that sufficiently small particles and
molecules move freely into and out of cells, it seems a rather easy
asumption to make. In addition it is known that unless one has more
than some minimum amount of silver in the blood there is no problem.
Just because the photoreaction of sun allows one to see the
discoloration of stuck silver crystals, this does not mean that they
arent also stuck where you cant see them. It seems a strange argument
for something we would normally be aghast with; stuck metal in tissues.
Silver will not get stuck unless there is a lot in the blood. When
small amounts of a silver compound are in the blood, it gets
photoreduced by the sun in the skin. Then over time it diffuses out to
be removed by the kidneys and liver. If however there is a lot of
silver compound in the blood, photographic developing can occur since
the blood is alkaline, and often contains a developer, such as caffine.
If the particle grows sufficiently in a short enough time to get stuck
before it moves on, then you can have a problem.
Also, I have read that in fact the silver does cross the BBB. So, also
if you have a reference for that. I know this subject gets hashed
over and over.
This was covered before. References were found that say both.
I have seen a paper with microphotos of silver stuck in lysosomes and
interstitial spaces. I have never been completely comfortable that
silver has at least the potential to de differentiate cells.
Silver only dedifferentiates cells that are injured or really needing to
dediffer4entiate. And it appears that only ionic silver does this.
It seems to me a two edged sword, and that we are lucky it seems as
benign as it does. I wonder though, how long it would take to show
bad effects from say drinking small quantities of other colloidal
metals, say aluminum. A family member experimented with a poultice
application of silver and reported undesirable results. I think some
scar tissue perhaps. Later there was a white thickened tissue, but it
is unknown if this was related.
Silver will prevent scar tissue from forming but once formed will have
no effect in my experience. If you have scar tissue and want to get rid
of it, you have to remove the scar tissue, then keep the wound wet with
CS while it is healing, something I would not recommend.
Marshall
Thanks
M
On 12/14/2012 10:52 AM, Marshall wrote:
On 12/14/2012 10:56 AM, mgperrault wrote:
So a lot of CS per day will turn you steel grey, whereas a small
amount will only turn you slightly steel grey? I mean, so you
probably wont notice it or anything?
No, large amounts can cause fingernail moons to turn gray, and might
cause skin discoloration if you go out in the sun. But small
amounts, even taken over decades will cause no such problems. A
small amount simply does not supply enough silver at once to cause
crystals to grow large enough to get stuck. By large amount I mean a
quart or more of 15 - 20 ppm take daily for a couple of weeks, and
small amount I mean a couple of ounces taken daily as long as you
want. My moons did not turn grey after almost a decade of taking on
ounce of 10 ppm CS daily, but did after taking a couple of quarts of
20 ppm daily for 2 weeks.
Family member noticed the almost impossible to clean silver stain in
glass and plastic from CS.
It is very easy to clean, you just have to use the right stuff. H2O2
works pretty well, activated MMS works great.
I told her, sure you're getting a systemic (brain included)
metallic tattoo, but chances are you will never notice it, so what
are you worried about? ....yeah, got a little angry and called her
a heretic....
First of all literature indicates that silver generally does not pass
the BBB, but some literature does indicate that silver citrate can.
Second, unless you have a hole in your head where sunlight can get
in, no photoreduction can take place, thus no problem.
Marshall
m
On 12/14/2012 5:57 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I think this is slightly misleading too Dave. Properly made EIS
doesn't do either of these things *unless* you use MASSIVE amounts!
By this I mean something like over a quart or more, per day. I
mean how many people will use this amount? Most people use it for
specific things like infections -- or warding off infections. For
these people it is safe to say that there would be no problems. I
think if someone has to take massive amounts, then you could warn
them, but it doesn't happen to *all* people that *do* take massive
amounts either. dee
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