On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:51:23AM +0530, ss wrote:

> > It seems to me that, at least for now, overpopulation is a more
> > serious threat to sustainability.

Sustainability is a function of the technology available. Unfortunately
we're in an unstable regime where we need to push for ridiculously advanced
technologies in a very short time frame, orelse we'll experience massive
depopulation on about a century time scale.

Reducing the footprint can be only a temporary stop-gap measure, and in fact
could become a trap. Missing a launch windows could be fatal.
 
> I decided to respond to this separately because this is an interesting 
> response.
> 
> Overpopulation and sub fertility are two separate issues because sub-fertlity 

In terms of the ecosystem carrying capacity, there's definitely massive 
overpopulation.

> and falling populations are occurring in different areas of the world from 
> the areas of high fertility and high population. 

The time scale is also important. Sudden changes from hyperfertility to 
sub-replacement
fertility will set societies up for massive failure if not compensated for.
 
> What is needed is not sub-fertility in Europe and hyper-fertility in India, 
> but exactly the opposite. I would have thought that Europe could do with 
> increased fertlity and India with reduced fertility. No matter how many 

The actual reasons for subreplacement fertility are high costs.
Some subpopulations do have a very high fertility which if sustained
in time will break out dramatically through the receding population landscape.

> European women fail to have kids for the noble cause of global 

The less noble cause is you nowadays need two working parents to raise children,
and this will bring you on the brink of poverty. The wages stayed flat since 
1990,
or so.

> overpopulation, it makes no difference to the fertility in India. Or Africa.

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