On Tuesday 10 Mar 2009 9:14:03 am gabin kattukaran wrote:

>
> Why would you think that a smaller population is a problem? A smaller
> population that is reached by lower birth rates rather than higher
> death rates seems like a good proposition.

Seem like a good proposition alright. no dispute on that. But nobody knows for 
sure. The first effects of falling birh  rates will probably become visible 
within my lifetime - some of these effects are coming up already.

Falling birth rates in Europe for instance could be good for Indians - who 
have a huge percentage of young people. The "bulge" in demographics of the 
elderly in Euope could be looked after by young nursing care recruits and 
service people from India or African/Arab countries who have young people in 
surplus. No [roblem for them. teh problem is only for the Ram Sene 
equivalents in Europe who wll see thei culture disappearing. Whether that is 
a problem or not depends on whoch viewpoint you choose to take.


> > Here is the controversial and troubling thought - I would appreciate
> > inputs on this: If you read between the lines above it is easy to
> > conclude that the problems of Western society can be directly linked to
> > more freedom for women.
>
> This is true only if you decide that freedom seeking women and not
> freedom suppressing men/relationships or any thing else are the reason
> for divorces or relationship breakdowns.

DISCLAIMER: My arguments that follow are for the sake of discussion and not a 
statement of my personal ideology or religion

Is there a difference between "freedom seeking women" and "freedom suppressing 
men" in terms of effect on the woman or the marriage? 

The woman who seeks freedom for herself without being held down by any man 
desires freedom just as much as the woman who wants freedom from being held 
in bondage by a man. In both cases, if the desire is not to marry or continue 
with a marriage, the net effect on society is the same.

It matters little whether the woman seeks freedom for freedom's sake or 
whether she seeks freedom from man. I seek to protect marriage and the family 
and the rights of a child to have a nuclear family therefore I demand that 
the woman must submit and swallow her pride, stuff her freedom and toe the 
line.

This is what society often does, although the man is normally expected to 
contribute.

This brings me to the subject of succcessful marriages.

Marriages are not free by definition. Neither man nor woman have complete 
freedom. But when it comes to the crunch, male freedom has always been given 
priority over female freedom.

What is the right way to address this?
1) Curb male freedom
2) Increase female freedom
3) Both of the above

shiv












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