[zfs-discuss] metadata inconsistency?

2006-07-06 Thread Patrick Mauritz
Hi, after some unscheduled reboots (to put it lightly), I've got an interesting setup on my notebook's zfs partition: setup: simple zpool, no raid or mirror, a couple of zfs partitions, one zvol for swap. /foo is one such partition, /foo/bar the directory with the issue. directly after the reboo

[zfs-discuss] Most stupid Ten reasons not to use ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello zfs-discuss, http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-June/msg03623.html Are they so afraid they have to write such bullshit!? -- Best regards, Robert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com

[zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Siegfried Nikolaivich
Hello, What kind of x86 CPU does ZFS prefer? In particular, what kind of CPU is optimal when using RAID-Z with a large number of disks (8)? Does L2 cache size play a big role, 256kb vs 512kb vs 1MB? Are there any performance improvements when using a dual core or quad processor machine? I am

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Darren Reed
Siegfried Nikolaivich wrote: Hello, What kind of x86 CPU does ZFS prefer? In particular, what kind of CPU is optimal when using RAID-Z with a large number of disks (8)? My experience is that for hardware that will be used in a server orientated role, there are a lot of considerations tha

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>Hello, > >What kind of x86 CPU does ZFS prefer? In particular, what kind of CPU is >optimal when using RAID-Z with a large number of disks (8)? > >Does L2 cache size play a big role, 256kb vs 512kb vs 1MB? Are there any >performance improvements when using a dual core or quad processor machi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Most stupid Ten reasons not to use ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Darren J Moffat
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello zfs-discuss, http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-June/msg03623.html Are they so afraid they have to write such bullshit!? The most annoying part to me is this bit: "2 . ZFS does not support the necessary extended attributes and ACLs to enable the

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Steven Sim
Casper; Does this mean it would be a good practice to say increase the amount of memory and/or swap space we usually recommend if the customer intends to use ZFS very heavily? Sorry if this is a dumb question! Warmest Regards Steven Sim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, What kind of x86

Re: [zfs-discuss] Most stupid Ten reasons not to use ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Sean McGrath - Sun Microsystems Ireland
Darren J Moffat stated: < Robert Milkowski wrote: < >Hello zfs-discuss, < > < > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-June/msg03623.html < > < > Are they so afraid they have to write such bullshit!? < < The most annoying part to me is this bit: < < "2 . ZFS does not support the necess

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Darren J Moffat
Steven Sim wrote: Casper; Does this mean it would be a good practice to say increase the amount of memory and/or swap space we usually recommend if the customer intends to use ZFS very heavily? ZFS doesn't necessarily use more memory (physical or virtual) than UFS it needs more VM *address

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>Casper; > >Does this mean it would be a good practice to say increase the amount of >memory and/or swap space we usually recommend if the customer intends to >use ZFS very heavily? Memory is always good; but it is *virtual* memory (address space) which matters most. The 32 bit kernel only has

Re: [zfs-discuss] Most stupid Ten reasons not to use ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Darren Reed
Darren J Moffat wrote: The rest is just uninformed licensing related fud. More fool them for not getting it! Indeed. There was a followup to that email that went through and debunked that posting along exactly those lines and to which the OP did not respond. Darren _

Re: [zfs-discuss] Most stupid Ten reasons not to use ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Darren J Moffat
Sean McGrath - Sun Microsystems Ireland wrote: Some do, see this followup: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-June/msg04266.html This poster even corrects himself on the Trusted Solaris front with another follow up at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-June/msg0449

[zfs-discuss] Re: Supporting ~10K users on ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread H.-J. Schnitzer
Hi, does anybody successfully try the option sharenfs=on for an zfs filesystem with 1 users? On my system (sol10u2), that is not only awfully slow but does also not work smoothly. I did run the following commands: zpool create -R /test test c2t600C0FF00988193CD00CE701d0s0 zfs creat

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Tim Foster
On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 01:57 -0700, Siegfried Nikolaivich wrote: > What kind of x86 CPU does ZFS prefer? In particular, what kind of CPU > is optimal when using RAID-Z with a large number of disks (8)? An additional point here: to an extent this depends on what you're going to be using the system

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Roch
Darren J Moffat writes: > Steven Sim wrote: > > Casper; > > > > Does this mean it would be a good practice to say increase the amount of > > memory and/or swap space we usually recommend if the customer intends to > > use ZFS very heavily? > > ZFS doesn't necessarily use more memory (p

[zfs-discuss] Re: [raidz] file not removed: No space left on device

2006-07-06 Thread Tatjana S Heuser
Unfortunately, truncating files doesn't work either. > > Eric Schrock wrote: > > > You don't need to grow the pool. You should always be able truncate the > > > file without consuming more space, provided you don't have snapshots. >[..] In the meantime, you can > truncate large files to free up s

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Siegfried Nikolaivich wrote: [ ... reformatted ...] > Hello, > > What kind of x86 CPU does ZFS prefer? In particular, what kind of CPU > is optimal when using RAID-Z with a large number of disks (8)? BTW: I've read the existing followups (all good stuff!). 64-bit AMD > Doe

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Supporting ~10K users on ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 7/6/06, H.-J. Schnitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The zpool export command required about 30 minutes to finish. And the import command, after it did some silent work for 45 minutes, just reported a lot of error messages: ... cannot share 'test/home/4643': error reading /etc/dfs/sharetab It

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Pramod Batni
Darren J Moffat wrote: Steven Sim wrote: Casper; Does this mean it would be a good practice to say increase the amount of memory and/or swap space we usually recommend if the customer intends to use ZFS very heavily? ZFS doesn't necessarily use more memory (physical or virtual) than UFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Supporting ~10K users on ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Eric Schrock
We have done some work to make this bearable on boot by introction of the undocumented SHARE_NOINUSE_CHECK environment variable. This disables an expensive check which verifies that the filesystem is not already shared. Since we're doing the initial shares on the system, we can safely disable thi

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Steven Sim
Hi; I've just went through the following URL http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/roch?entry=the_dynamics_of_zfs For those interested, I got to the above URL from http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Solaris_Internals_and_Performance_FAQ Under the section ("DOES ZFS REALLY USE MORE RAM

[zfs-discuss] Re: x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Siegfried Nikolaivich
> But for ZFS, it has been said often that it currently performs > much better with a 64bit address space, such as that with > Opterons and other AMD64 CPUs. I think this would play a > bigger part in a ZFS server performing well than just MHZ > and cache size. I will no doubt be selecting a 64-bi

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>Darren J Moffat wrote: > >> Steven Sim wrote: >> >>> Casper; >>> >>> Does this mean it would be a good practice to say increase the amount >>> of memory and/or swap space we usually recommend if the customer >>> intends to use ZFS very heavily? >> >> >> ZFS doesn't necessarily use more memory (

Re: [zfs-discuss] x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Eric Schrock
On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 09:53:32PM +0530, Pramod Batni wrote: > >offtopic query : >How can ZFS require more VM address space but not more VM ? > The real problem is VA fragmentation, not consumption. Over time, ZFS's heavy use of the VM system causes the address space to become fragmente

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Rob Logan
with ZFS the primary driver isn't cpu, its "how many drives can one attach" :-) I use a 8 sata and 2 pata port http://supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron/nForce/H8DCE.cfm But there was a v20z I could steal registered ram and cpus from. H8DCE can't use the SATA HBA Framework which only suppo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: x86 CPU Choice for ZFS

2006-07-06 Thread Richard Elling
Siegfried Nikolaivich wrote: But for ZFS, it has been said often that it currently performs much better with a 64bit address space, such as that with Opterons and other AMD64 CPUs. I think this would play a bigger part in a ZFS server performing well than just MHZ and cache size. I will no doub

[zfs-discuss] COW question

2006-07-06 Thread Robert Chen
question is ZFS uses COW(copy on write), does this mean it will double usage of capacity or waste the capacity? What COW really do? No mirror also has COW? Please help me, thanks. Robert ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://

Re: [zfs-discuss] COW question

2006-07-06 Thread Raymond Xiong
Robert Chen wrote: > question is ZFS uses COW(copy on write), does this mean it will > double usage of capacity or waste the capacity? > > What COW really do? No mirror also has COW? > > Please help me, thanks. > > Robert > > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing lis