Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-12-02 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Mattias, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 12:24:05 AM, you wrote: MP> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 00:46, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Adam Leventhal wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:48:25PM +0100, Mattias Pantzare wrote: >>> That is _not_ active-active, that is ac

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-16 Thread Mertol Özyöney
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mattias Pantzare Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:48 PM To: David Pacheco Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication > I think you're confusing our clustering feature with the remote > replication feature.

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-14 Thread Mattias Pantzare
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 00:46, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adam Leventhal wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:48:25PM +0100, Mattias Pantzare wrote: >> >>> >>> That is _not_ active-active, that is active-passive. >>> >>> If you have a active-active system I can access the same d

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-14 Thread Richard Elling
Adam Leventhal wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:48:25PM +0100, Mattias Pantzare wrote: > >> That is _not_ active-active, that is active-passive. >> >> If you have a active-active system I can access the same data via both >> controllers at the same time. I can't if it works like you just >> d

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-14 Thread Adam Leventhal
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:48:25PM +0100, Mattias Pantzare wrote: > That is _not_ active-active, that is active-passive. > > If you have a active-active system I can access the same data via both > controllers at the same time. I can't if it works like you just > described. You can't call it activ

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-14 Thread Mattias Pantzare
> I think you're confusing our clustering feature with the remote > replication feature. With active-active clustering, you have two closely > linked head nodes serving files from different zpools using JBODs > connected to both head nodes. When one fails, the other imports the > failed node's pool

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-14 Thread David Pacheco
Brent Jones wrote: > *snip* >>> a 'zfs send' on the sending host >>> monitors the pool/filesystem for changes, and immediately sends them to >>> the >>> receiving host, which applies the change to the remote pool. >> This is asynchronous, and isn't really different from running zfs send/recv >> in

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-14 Thread Brent Jones
*snip* >> a 'zfs send' on the sending host >> monitors the pool/filesystem for changes, and immediately sends them to >> the >> receiving host, which applies the change to the remote pool. > > This is asynchronous, and isn't really different from running zfs send/recv > in a loop. Whether the loop

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-14 Thread David Pacheco
River Tarnell wrote: > Daryl Doami: >> As an aside, replication has been implemented as part of the new Storage >> 7000 family. Here's a link to a blog discussing using the 7000 >> Simulator running in two separate VMs and replicating w/ each other: > > that's interesting, although 'less than a

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-13 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Miles Nordin: > rt> currently i crontab zfs send | zfs recv for this > My point is that I don't think the 10min delay is the most significant > difference between AVS/snapmirror and a 'zfs send' cronjob. i didn't intend to suggest there was any si

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-13 Thread Miles Nordin
> "rt" == River Tarnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: rt> currently i crontab zfs send | zfs recv for this doesn't it also fall over if the stream falls behind? I mean, what if it takes longer than ten minutes? What if the backup node goes away and then comes back? What if the master nod

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-12 Thread Carson Gaspar
Ian Collins wrote: > On Thu 13/11/08 12:04 , River Tarnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: >> are there any RFEs or plans to create a 'continuous' replication mode for >> ZFS?i envisage it working something like this: a 'zfs send' on the sending >> hostmonitors the pool/filesystem for changes, and immediat

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-12 Thread Brent Jones
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:58 PM, River Tarnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Daryl Doami: >> As an aside, replication has been implemented as part of the new Storage >> 7000 family. Here's a link to a blog discussing using the 7000 >> Simulator ru

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-12 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daryl Doami: > As an aside, replication has been implemented as part of the new Storage > 7000 family. Here's a link to a blog discussing using the 7000 > Simulator running in two separate VMs and replicating w/ each other: that's interesting, alth

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-12 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brent Jones: > It sounds like you need either a true clustering file system or to draw back > your plans to see changes read-only instantly on the secondary node. well, the idea is to have two separate copies of the data, for backup / DR. being able t

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-12 Thread Daryl Doami
ure of the specifics of how, but it might provide ideas of how it can be accomplished. Regards. Original Message Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication From: Brent Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: We

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-12 Thread Brent Jones
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:40 PM, River Tarnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ian Collins: >> I doubt zfs receive would be able to keep pace with any non-trivial update >> rate. > > one could consider this a bug in zfs receive :) > >> Mirroring iSC

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-12 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian Collins: > I doubt zfs receive would be able to keep pace with any non-trivial update > rate. one could consider this a bug in zfs receive :) > Mirroring iSCSI or a dedicated HA tool would be a better solution. i'm not sure how to apply iSCSI h

Re: [zfs-discuss] continuous replication

2008-11-12 Thread Ian Collins
On Thu 13/11/08 12:04 , River Tarnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: > > are there any RFEs or plans to create a 'continuous' replication mode for > ZFS?i envisage it working something like this: a 'zfs send' on the sending > hostmonitors the pool/filesystem for changes, and immediately sends them to > t