Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-06-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Chris Siebenmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | My impression is that the "only" real problem with incrementals from > | ufsdump or star is that you would like to have a database that tells > | you in which incremental a specific file with a specific time stamp > | may be found. > > In our situat

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-06-02 Thread Chris Siebenmann
| My impression is that the "only" real problem with incrementals from | ufsdump or star is that you would like to have a database that tells | you in which incremental a specific file with a specific time stamp | may be found. In our situation here, this is done by the overall backup system driv

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
David Magda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 31, 2008, at 06:03, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > The other method works as root if you use -atime (see man page) and is > > available since 13 years. > > Would it be possible to assign an RBAC role to a regular user to > accomplish this? If so, w

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-31 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:18 AM, David Magda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 31, 2008, at 06:03, Joerg Schilling wrote: > >> The other method works as root if you use -atime (see man page) and is >> available since 13 years. > > Would it be possible to assign an RBAC role to a regular user to

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-31 Thread David Magda
On May 31, 2008, at 06:03, Joerg Schilling wrote: > The other method works as root if you use -atime (see man page) and is > available since 13 years. Would it be possible to assign an RBAC role to a regular user to accomplish this? If so, would you know which one? Historically backups ran as

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
"J.P. King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A cleanly written filesystem provides clean and abstract interfaces to do > > anything you like with the filesystem, it's content and metadata. In such an > > environment, there is no need for a utility that knows the disk layout (like > > ufsdump does)

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm curious - is the current stream format tagged with a version number? Richard Elling posted something about the send format on 5/14/2008: > To date, the only incompatibility is with send streams created prior > to Nev

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread Bill McGonigle
On May 30, 2008, at 10:49, J.P. King wrote: For _my_ purposes I'd be happy with zfs send/receive, if only it was guaranteed to be compatible between versions. How often are you going to be doing restores from these, and for how long? Since the zfs send/receive stream format has only changed

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread Rob Logan
> Is there a way to efficiently replicating a complete zfs-pool > including all filesystems and snapshots? zfs send -R -R Generate a replication stream package, which will replicate the specified filesystem, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread Rob Logan
> I'd like to take a backup of a live filesystem without modifying > the last accessed time. why not take a snapshot? Rob ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discus

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread Jonathan Hogg
On 30 May 2008, at 15:49, J.P. King wrote: > For _my_ purposes I'd be happy with zfs send/receive, if only it was > guaranteed to be compatible between versions. I agree that the > inability > to extract single files is an irritation - I am not sure why this is > anything more than an implement

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread J.P. King
> A cleanly written filesystem provides clean and abstract interfaces to do > anything you like with the filesystem, it's content and metadata. In such an > environment, there is no need for a utility that knows the disk layout (like > ufsdump does). I'd like to take a backup of a live filesystem

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Chris Siebenmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The first issue alone makes 'zfs send' completely unsuitable for the > purposes that we currently use ufsdump. I don't believe that we've lost > a complete filesystem in years, but we restore accidentally deleted > files all the time. (And snapshots a

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mark Shellenbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> The closest equivalent to ufsdump and ufsrestore is "star". > >> I very strongly disagree. The closest ZFS equivalent to ufsdump is 'zfs > >> send'. 'zfs send' like ufs

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Thomas Maier-Komor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I very strongly disagree. The closest ZFS equivalent to ufsdump is 'zfs > > send'. 'zfs send' like ufsdump has initmiate awareness of the the > > actual on disk layout and is an integrated part of the filesystem > > implementation. > > > > st

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Jonathan Hogg
On 29 May 2008, at 17:52, Chris Siebenmann wrote: > The first issue alone makes 'zfs send' completely unsuitable for the > purposes that we currently use ufsdump. I don't believe that we've > lost > a complete filesystem in years, but we restore accidentally deleted > files all the time. (And sn

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Ralf Bertling
TECTED]: > Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore > To: Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >>> >> >&

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Richard Elling
Chris Siebenmann wrote: > | I very strongly disagree. The closest ZFS equivalent to ufsdump is > | 'zfs send'. 'zfs send' like ufsdump has initmiate awareness of the > | the actual on disk layout and is an integrated part of the filesystem > | implementation. > > I must strongly disagree in turn,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Richard Elling
Jonathan Hogg wrote: > On 29 May 2008, at 15:51, Thomas Maier-Komor wrote: > > >>> I very strongly disagree. The closest ZFS equivalent to ufsdump is >>> 'zfs >>> send'. 'zfs send' like ufsdump has initmiate awareness of the the >>> actual on disk layout and is an integrated part of the file

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Chris Siebenmann
| I very strongly disagree. The closest ZFS equivalent to ufsdump is | 'zfs send'. 'zfs send' like ufsdump has initmiate awareness of the | the actual on disk layout and is an integrated part of the filesystem | implementation. I must strongly disagree in turn, at least for Solaris 10. 'zfs send

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Jonathan Hogg
On 29 May 2008, at 15:51, Thomas Maier-Komor wrote: >> I very strongly disagree. The closest ZFS equivalent to ufsdump is >> 'zfs >> send'. 'zfs send' like ufsdump has initmiate awareness of the the >> actual on disk layout and is an integrated part of the filesystem >> implementation. >> >> s

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Thomas Maier-Komor
Darren J Moffat schrieb: > Joerg Schilling wrote: >> "Poulos, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Is there a ZFS equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore? >>> >>> >>> >>> Will creating a tar file work with ZFS? We are trying to backup a >>> ZFS file system to a separate disk, and would like

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
Joerg Schilling wrote: > Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> The closest equivalent to ufsdump and ufsrestore is "star". >> I very strongly disagree. The closest ZFS equivalent to ufsdump is 'zfs >> send'. 'zfs send' like ufsdump has initmiate awareness of the the >> actual on dis

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The closest equivalent to ufsdump and ufsrestore is "star". > > I very strongly disagree. The closest ZFS equivalent to ufsdump is 'zfs > send'. 'zfs send' like ufsdump has initmiate awareness of the the > actual on disk layout and is an integrate

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Darren J Moffat
Joerg Schilling wrote: > "Poulos, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Is there a ZFS equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore? >> >> >> >> Will creating a tar file work with ZFS? We are trying to backup a >> ZFS file system to a separate disk, and would like to take advantage of >> something

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Poulos, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a ZFS equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore? > > > > Will creating a tar file work with ZFS? We are trying to backup a > ZFS file system to a separate disk, and would like to take advantage of > something like ufsdump rather than using ex

[zfs-discuss] zfs equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore

2008-05-29 Thread Poulos, Joe
Is there a ZFS equivalent of ufsdump and ufsrestore? Will creating a tar file work with ZFS? We are trying to backup a ZFS file system to a separate disk, and would like to take advantage of something like ufsdump rather than using expensive backup software. Thanks for any suggestion