Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 02:11:31PM -0800, Moshe Vainer wrote: > >PS: For data that you want to mostly archive, consider using Amazon > >Web Services (AWS) S3 service. Right now there is no charge to push > >data into the cloud and its $0.15/gigabyte to keep it there. Do a > >quick (back of the napk

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-21 Thread Moshe Vainer
>PS: For data that you want to mostly archive, consider using Amazon >Web Services (AWS) S3 service. Right now there is no charge to push >data into the cloud and its $0.15/gigabyte to keep it there. Do a >quick (back of the napkin) calculation on what storage you can get for >$30/month and factor

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Tristan Ball
Having gotten back to the Rep and asked further questions, I'm forced to agree - the rep doesn't know what they're talking about. It does look like the Intel based 40G Kinsgston may not yet be available in australia. What a drag. :-) T On 6/01/2010 10:46 PM, Al Hopper wrote: On Tue, Jan 5,

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Thomas Burgess
> meandering off topic here ... > > i use one of those 64G kingston jmicron/toshiba drives in my mac. > > The "stuttering" problems attributed to the older jmicron drives are > non-existent with this one in my experience. > > This is great news. I've read this but it's good to know that someone on

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Dan Pritts
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 08:33:23PM -0600, Al Hopper wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Thomas Burgess wrote: > > > > I'm PRETTY sure the kingston drives i ordered are as good/better > > > > i just didnt' know that they weren't "good enough" > > I disagree that those drives are "good enough"

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: > On Wed, Jan  6 at 14:56, Tristan Ball wrote: >> >> For those searching list archives, the SNV125-S2/40GB given below is not >> based on the Intel controller. >> >> I queried Kingston directly about this because there appears to be so >> much

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 06 January, 2010 - Thomas Burgess sent me these 5,8K bytes: > I think the confusing part is that the 64gb version seems to use a different > controller all together It does. > I couldn't find any SNV125-S2/40's in stock so i got 3 SNV125-S2/64's > thinking it would be the same,m only bigger..

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Thomas Burgess
I think the confusing part is that the 64gb version seems to use a different controller all together I couldn't find any SNV125-S2/40's in stock so i got 3 SNV125-S2/64's thinking it would be the same,m only bigger.looks like it was stupid on my part. now i understand why i got such a good dea

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Wed, Jan 6 at 14:56, Tristan Ball wrote: For those searching list archives, the SNV125-S2/40GB given below is not based on the Intel controller. I queried Kingston directly about this because there appears to be so much confusion (and I'm considering using these drives!), and I got back that

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Tristan Ball
website. Regards, Tristan -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Eric D. Mudama Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2010 7:35 PM To: Thomas Burgess Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] need a f

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Chris Du wrote: > You can use the utility to erase all blocks and regain performance, but it's > a manual process and quite complex. Windows 7 support TRIM, if SSD firmware > also supports it, the process is run in the background so you will not notice > performance degrade. I don't think any

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Thomas Burgess
The SNV125-S2/40GB is the "half an X25-M" drive which can be "often" > found as a bare OEM drive for about $85 w/ rebate. > > Kingston does sell rebranded Intel SLC drives as well, but under a > different model number: SNE-125S2/32 or SNE-125S2/64. I don't believe > the 64GB Kingston MLC (SNV-125

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Mon, Jan 4 at 22:01, Thomas Burgess wrote: I guess i got some bad advice then I was told the kingston snv125-s2 used almost the exact same hardware as an x25-m and should be considered the "poor mans" x25-m ... Right, i couldn't find any of the 40 gb's in stock so i ordered the 64

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
> I disagree that those drives are "good enough". That particular drive > uses the dreaded JMicron controller - which has a really bad > reputation. And a poor reputation that it *earned* and deserves. > Even though these drives use a newer revision of the original JMicron > part (that basically

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Al Hopper
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Thomas Burgess wrote: > > I'm PRETTY sure the kingston drives i ordered are as good/better > > i just didnt' know that they weren't "good enough" I disagree that those drives are "good enough". That particular drive uses the dreaded JMicron controller - which has

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread tom wagner
Fast is a relative term, because even after the first write to the end, they are still really fast for a small server and the latency is still low <1ms which is often more important than throughput. The topic said poor mans slog. The vertexes can be had for $100 and the vertex turbo a little mo

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Chris Du
You can use the utility to erase all blocks and regain performance, but it's a manual process and quite complex. Windows 7 support TRIM, if SSD firmware also supports it, the process is run in the background so you will not notice performance degrade. I don't think any other OS supports TRIM. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
so are you saying that the "degrading problem" with ssd's can be fixed completely with such a utility? Don't they STILL wear out and become more or less broken after heavy use On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Chris Du wrote: > They are fast when they are new. Once all the blocks are written, >

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Chris Du
They are fast when they are new. Once all the blocks are written, performance degrades significantly. SLC will also degrade over time, but when it needs to erase blocks and rewrite, it is much faster than MLC. That's why for ZIL, SLC SSD is prefered. It's possible to remove MLC ZIL and use wipe

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
I'm PRETTY sure the kingston drives i ordered are as good/better i just didnt' know that they weren't "good enough" Basically, if i have 3 raidz2 groups or 4 raidz groups with a total of 20 7200 RPM drives is using a cheaper MLC drive going to make things WORSE? thanks for the idea though, i may

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread tom wagner
Myself and others had good luck with the OCZ vertex. I use two 30GB versions and they have very high write and read throughputs for such a cheap MLC. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org h

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 4, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Thomas Burgess wrote: slightly outside of my price range. I'll either do without or wait till they drop in priceis there a "second best" option or is this pretty much it? If you need the separate log, then you can figure the relative latency gain for latency

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Menno Lageman
On 01/04/10 19:35, Thomas Burgess wrote: slightly outside of my price range. I'll either do without or wait till they drop in priceis there a "second best" option or is this pretty much it? I guess it depends on your workload and your performance expectations/requirements vs budget. For e

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
slightly outside of my price range. I'll either do without or wait till they drop in priceis there a "second best" option or is this pretty much it? On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Chris Du wrote: > You need SLC SSD for ZIL. The only SLC SSD I'd recommend is Intel X25-E. > Others are eithe

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Chris Du
You need SLC SSD for ZIL. The only SLC SSD I'd recommend is Intel X25-E. Others are either too expensive or much slower than Intel. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensola

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 4, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Thomas Burgess wrote: I'm not 100% sure i'm going to need a separate SSD for my ZIL but if i did want to look for one, i was wondering if anyone could suggest/ recommend a few budget options. Start with zilstat, which will help you determine if your workload uses

[zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
I'm not 100% sure i'm going to need a separate SSD for my ZIL but if i did want to look for one, i was wondering if anyone could suggest/recommend a few budget options. My current hardware is something like this: intel core2quad 9550 8 gb ddr2 800 unbuffered ECC 3 AOC-SAT2-MV8 controllers 21 720