Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-08 Thread eric kustarz
I've filed specifically for ZFS: 6735425 some places where 64bit values are being incorrectly accessed on 32bit processors eric On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Brian D. Horn wrote: > In the most recent code base (both OpenSolaris/Nevada and S10Ux with > patches) > all the known marvell88sx probl

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-07 Thread Ross
Hmm... it appears that my e-mail to the zfs list covering the problems has disappeared. I will send it again and cross my fingers. The basic problem I found was that with the Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 card (using the marvell chipset), drive removals are not detected consistently by Solaris. The

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-07 Thread Brian D. Horn
1) I don't believe that any bug report has been generated despite various e-mails about this topic. 2) The marvell88sx driver has not been changed recently, so that if this problem actually exists, it is probably related to the sata framework. 3) Is this problem simply that when a device i

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-07 Thread Ross
> In the most recent code base (both OpenSolaris/Nevada and S10Ux with patches) > all the known marvell88sx problems have long ago been dealt with. I'd dispute that. My testing appears to show major hot plug problems with the marvell driver in snv_94. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-07 Thread Bryan Allen
+-- | On 2008-08-07 03:53:04, Marc Bevand wrote: | | Bryan, Thomas: these hangs of 32-bit Solaris under heavy (fs, I/O) loads are a | well known problem. They are caused by memory contention in the kernel heap. | Check

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Brian D. Horn
Yes, there have been bugs with heavy I/O and ZFS running the system out of memory. However, there was a contention in the thread about it possibly being due to marvell88sx driver bugs (most likely not). Further, my mention of 32-bit Solaris being unsafe at any speed is still true. Without analysi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Peter Bortas
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Marc Bevand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bryan, Thomas: these hangs of 32-bit Solaris under heavy (fs, I/O) loads are a > well known problem. They are caused by memory contention in the kernel heap. > Check 'kstat vmem::heap'. The usual recommendation is to change th

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Marc Bevand
Bryan, Thomas: these hangs of 32-bit Solaris under heavy (fs, I/O) loads are a well known problem. They are caused by memory contention in the kernel heap. Check 'kstat vmem::heap'. The usual recommendation is to change the kernelbase. It worked for me. See: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermai

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Peter Bortas
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Peter Bortas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Bryan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Good afternoon, >> >> I have a ~600GB zpool living on older Xeons. The system has 8GB of RAM. The >> pool is hanging off two LSI Logic SAS3041X-Rs (

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Carson Gaspar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brian D. Horn wrote: >> In the most recent code base (both OpenSolaris/Nevada and S10Ux with patches) >> all the known marvell88sx problems have long ago been dealt with. > > Not true. The working marvell patches still have

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Brian D. Horn
As far as I can tell from the patch web patches: For Solaris 10 x86 138053-01 should have the fixes it does depend on other earlier patches though). I find it very difficult to tell what the story is with patches as the patch numbers seem to have very little in them to correlate them to code chan

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Carson Gaspar
Brian D. Horn wrote: > In the most recent code base (both OpenSolaris/Nevada and S10Ux with patches) > all the known marvell88sx problems have long ago been dealt with. Not true. The working marvell patches still have not been released for Solaris. They're still just IDRs. Unless you know somethi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread James C. McPherson
Brian D. Horn wrote: > In the most recent code base (both OpenSolaris/Nevada and S10Ux with patches) > all the known marvell88sx problems have long ago been dealt with. > > However, I've said this before. Solaris on 32-bit platforms has problems and > is not to be trusted. There are far, far too

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Brian D. Horn
In the most recent code base (both OpenSolaris/Nevada and S10Ux with patches) all the known marvell88sx problems have long ago been dealt with. However, I've said this before. Solaris on 32-bit platforms has problems and is not to be trusted. There are far, far too many places in the source code

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Thomas Garner
For what it's worth I see this as well on 32-bit Xeons, 1GB ram, and dual AOC-SAT2-MV8 (large amounts of io sometimes resulting in lockup requiring a reboot --- though my setup is Nexenta b85). Nothing in the logging, nor loadavg increasing significantly. It could be the regular Marvell driver iss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Will Murnane
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 13:31, Bryan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a ~600GB zpool living on older Xeons. The system has 8GB of RAM. The > pool is hanging off two LSI Logic SAS3041X-Rs (no RAID configured). You might try taking out 4gb of the ram (!). Some 32-bit drivers have problems do

[zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit.

2008-08-06 Thread Bryan Allen
Good afternoon, I have a ~600GB zpool living on older Xeons. The system has 8GB of RAM. The pool is hanging off two LSI Logic SAS3041X-Rs (no RAID configured). When I put a moderate amount of load on the zpool (like, say, copying many files locally, or deleting a large number of ZFS fs), the sys

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Erik, Friday, June 23, 2006, 2:35:30 AM, you wrote: ET> So, basically, the problem boils down to those with Xeons, a few ET> single-socket P4s, and some of this-year's Pentium Ds. Granted, this ET> makes up most of the x86 server market. So, yes, it _would_ be nice to ET> be able to dump

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-23 Thread Darren J Moffat
Erik Trimble wrote: Artem Kachitchkine wrote: AMD Geodes are 32-bit only. I haven't heard any mention that they will _ever_ be 64-bit. But, honestly, this and the Via chip aren't really ever going to be targets for Solaris. That is, they simply aren't (any substantial) part of the audience

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-23 Thread Darren J Moffat
Erik Trimble wrote: AMD Geodes are 32-bit only. I haven't heard any mention that they will _ever_ be 64-bit. But, honestly, this and the Via chip aren't really ever going to be targets for Solaris. That is, they simply aren't (any substantial) part of the audience we're trying to reach with S

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Casper . Dik
>AMD Geodes are 32-bit only. I haven't heard any mention that they will >_ever_ be 64-bit. But, honestly, this and the Via chip aren't really >ever going to be targets for Solaris. That is, they simply aren't (any >substantial) part of the audience we're trying to reach with Solaris x86. I'm

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Joe Little
I guess the only hope is to find pin-compatible Xeons that are 64bit to replace what is a large chassis with 24 slots of disks that has specific motherboard form-factor, etc. We have 6 of these things from a government grant that must be used for the stated purpose. So, yes, we can buy product, bu

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Richard Elling
Erik Trimble wrote: Dell (arrggh! Not THEM!) sells PowerEdge servers with plenty of PCI slots and RAM, and 64-bit CPUs for around $1000 now. Hell, WE sell dual-core x2100s for under $2k. I'm sure one can pick up a whitebox single-core Opteron for around $1k. That's not unreasonable to ask

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Erik Trimble
Artem Kachitchkine wrote: AMD Geodes are 32-bit only. I haven't heard any mention that they will _ever_ be 64-bit. But, honestly, this and the Via chip aren't really ever going to be targets for Solaris. That is, they simply aren't (any substantial) part of the audience we're trying to reac

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
AMD Geodes are 32-bit only. I haven't heard any mention that they will _ever_ be 64-bit. But, honestly, this and the Via chip aren't really ever going to be targets for Solaris. That is, they simply aren't (any substantial) part of the audience we're trying to reach with Solaris x86. Didn'

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Erik Trimble
AMD Geodes are 32-bit only. I haven't heard any mention that they will _ever_ be 64-bit. But, honestly, this and the Via chip aren't really ever going to be targets for Solaris. That is, they simply aren't (any substantial) part of the audience we're trying to reach with Solaris x86. Also, r

Re: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Joe Little wrote: > On 6/22/06, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rich Teer wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Joe Little wrote: > > > > > > Please don't top post. > > > > > >> What if your 32bit system is just a NAS -- ZFS and NFS, nothing else? > > >> I think it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Richard Elling
Joe Little wrote: On 6/22/06, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rich Teer wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Joe Little wrote: > > Please don't top post. > >> What if your 32bit system is just a NAS -- ZFS and NFS, nothing else? >> I think it would still be ideal to allow tweaking of things

Re: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Joe Little
On 6/22/06, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rich Teer wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Joe Little wrote: > > Please don't top post. > >> What if your 32bit system is just a NAS -- ZFS and NFS, nothing else? >> I think it would still be ideal to allow tweaking of things at runtime >> to ma

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Casper . Dik
>Are VIA processor chips 64bit capable yet ? No, I don't think so. And Geode? Casper ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Darren J Moffat
Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Joe Little wrote: Please don't top post. What if your 32bit system is just a NAS -- ZFS and NFS, nothing else? I think it would still be ideal to allow tweaking of things at runtime to make 32-bit systems more ideal. I respectfully disagree. Even on x86

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Joe Little wrote: Please don't top post. > What if your 32bit system is just a NAS -- ZFS and NFS, nothing else? > I think it would still be ideal to allow tweaking of things at runtime > to make 32-bit systems more ideal. I respectfully disagree. Even on x86, 64-bits are c

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-22 Thread Joe Little
What if your 32bit system is just a NAS -- ZFS and NFS, nothing else? I think it would still be ideal to allow tweaking of things at runtime to make 32-bit systems more ideal. On 6/21/06, Mark Maybee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yup, your probably running up against the limitations of 32-bit kern

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Maybee
Yup, your probably running up against the limitations of 32-bit kernel addressability. We are currently very conservative in this environment, and so tend to end up with a small cache as a result. It may be possible to tweak things to get larger cache sizes, but you run the risk of starving out

[zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-21 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello zfs-discuss, Simple test 'ptime find /zfs/filesystem >/dev/null' with 2GB RAM. After second, third, etc. time still it reads a lot from disks while find is running (atime is off). on x64 (Opteron) it doesn't. I guess it's due to 512MB heap limit in kernel for its cache. ::memst