Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fsck?

2010-07-06 Thread Mark J Musante
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: what I'm saying is that there are several posts in here where the only solution is to boot onto a live cd and then do an import, due to metadata corruption. This should be doable from the installed system Ah, I understand now. A couple of thing

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fsck?

2010-07-06 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> You can do this with "zpool scrub". It visits every allocated block > and > verifies that everything is correct. It's not the same as fsck in that > scrub can detect and repair problems with the pool still online and > all > datasets mounted, whereas fsck cannot handle mounted filesystems. > > I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fsck?

2010-07-06 Thread Mark J Musante
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Hi all With several messages in here about troublesome zpools, would there be a good reason to be able to fsck a pool? As in, check the whole thing instead of having to boot into live CDs and whatnot? You can do this with "zpool scrub". It vi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fsck?

2010-07-06 Thread iMx
- Original Message - > From: "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" > To: "OpenSolaris ZFS discuss" > Sent: Tuesday, 6 July, 2010 6:35:51 PM > Subject: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fsck? > Hi all > > With several messages in here about troublesome zpools, would there be

[zfs-discuss] ZFS fsck?

2010-07-06 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Hi all With several messages in here about troublesome zpools, would there be a good reason to be able to fsck a pool? As in, check the whole thing instead of having to boot into live CDs and whatnot? Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.n

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-10 Thread Joerg Moellenkamp
Hi, >> *everybody* is interested in the flag days page. Including me. >> Asking me to "raise the priority" is not helpful. > >> From my perspective, it's a surprise that 'everybody' is interested, as I'm > not seeing a lot of people complaining that the flag day page is not updating. > Only a co

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-10 Thread Nigel Smith
Hi James James C. McPherson wrote: > *everybody* is interested in the flag days page. Including me. > Asking me to "raise the priority" is not helpful. >From my perspective, it's a surprise that 'everybody' is interested, as I'm not seeing a lot of people complaining that the flag day page is not

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-09 Thread James C. McPherson
Nigel Smith wrote: On Thu Nov 5 14:38:13 PST 2009, Gary Mills wrote: It would be nice to see this information at: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+on/126-130 but it hasn't changed since 23 October. Well it seems we have an answer: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-d

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-09 Thread Nigel Smith
On Thu Nov 5 14:38:13 PST 2009, Gary Mills wrote: > It would be nice to see this information at: > http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+on/126-130 > but it hasn't changed since 23 October. Well it seems we have an answer: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-Novem

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-08 Thread Jason King
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Robert Milkowski wrote: > > fyi > > Robert Milkowski wrote: >> >> XXX wrote: >>> >>> | Have you actually tried to roll-back to previous uberblocks when you >>> | hit the issue?  I'm asking as I haven't yet heard about any case >>> | of the issue witch was not solved

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
fyi Robert Milkowski wrote: XXX wrote: | Have you actually tried to roll-back to previous uberblocks when you | hit the issue? I'm asking as I haven't yet heard about any case | of the issue witch was not solved by rolling back to a previous | uberblock. The problem though was that the way to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
Thanks for taking the time to write this - very useful info :) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Nigel Smith
Hi Gary I will let 'website-discuss' know about this problem. They normally fix issues like that. Those pages always seemed to just update automatically. I guess it's related to the website transition. Thanks Nigel Smith -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Gary Mills
On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 03:04:05PM -0700, Tim Haley wrote: > Robert Milkowski wrote: > >I think that most people including ZFS developers agree with you that > >losing an access to entire pool is not acceptable. And this has been > >fixed in snv_126 so now in those rare circumstances you should b

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Tim Haley
Robert Milkowski wrote: Miles Nordin wrote: "csb" == Craig S Bell writes: csb> Two: If you lost data with another filesystem, you may have csb> overlooked it and blamed the OS or the application, yeah, but with ZFS you often lose the whole pool in certain classes of repeatable real-wor

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, Miles Nordin wrote: "rm" == Robert Milkowski writes: rm> Personally I don't blame Sun that implementing the CR took so rm> long as it mostly affected home users with cheap hardware from rm> BestBuy like sources no, many of the reports were FC SAN's. Do you have

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Nigel Smith
Hi Robert I think you mean snv_128 not 126 :-) 6667683 need a way to rollback to an uberblock from a previous txg http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6667683 http://hg.genunix.org/onnv-gate.hg/rev/8aac17999e4d Regards Nigel Smith -- This message posted from opensolaris.org __

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Robert Milkowski
Miles Nordin wrote: "rm" == Robert Milkowski writes: rm> Personally I don't blame Sun that implementing the CR took so rm> long as it mostly affected home users with cheap hardware from rm> BestBuy like sources no, many of the reports were FC SAN's. rm> and eve

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Robert Milkowski
Miles Nordin wrote: "csb" == Craig S Bell writes: csb> Two: If you lost data with another filesystem, you may have csb> overlooked it and blamed the OS or the application, yeah, but with ZFS you often lose the whole pool in certain classes of repeatable real-world failures, like hotswap d

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Miles Nordin
> "rm" == Robert Milkowski writes: rm> Personally I don't blame Sun that implementing the CR took so rm> long as it mostly affected home users with cheap hardware from rm> BestBuy like sources no, many of the reports were FC SAN's. rm> and even then it was relatively rare.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Miles Nordin
> "csb" == Craig S Bell writes: csb> Two: If you lost data with another filesystem, you may have csb> overlooked it and blamed the OS or the application, yeah, but with ZFS you often lose the whole pool in certain classes of repeatable real-world failures, like hotswap disks with flake

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-05 Thread Tim Haley
Orvar Korvar wrote: Does this putback mean that I have to upgrade my zpool, or is it a zfs tool? If I missed upgrading my zpool I am smoked? The putback did not bump zpool or zfs versions. You shouldn't have to upgrade your pool. -tim ___ zfs-di

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-04 Thread Robert Milkowski
Tim Haley wrote: Robert Milkowski wrote: There is another CR (don't have its number at hand) which is about implementing a delayed re-use on just freed blocks which should allow for more data to be recovered in such a case as above. Although I'm not sure if it has been implemented yet. IMH

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-04 Thread Tim Haley
Robert Milkowski wrote: Kevin Walker wrote: Hi all, Just subscribed to the list after a debate on our helpdesk lead me to the posting about ZFS corruption and the need for a fsck repair tool of some kind... Has there been any update on this? I guess the discussion started after someo

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-04 Thread Robert Milkowski
Kevin Walker wrote: Hi all, Just subscribed to the list after a debate on our helpdesk lead me to the posting about ZFS corruption and the need for a fsck repair tool of some kind... Has there been any update on this? I guess the discussion started after someone read an article on OSNE

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-04 Thread Craig S. Bell
Joerg just posted a lengthy answer to the fsck question: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6071-No,-ZFS-really-doesnt-need-a-fsck.html Good stuff. I see two answers to "nobody complained about lying hardware before ZFS". One: The user has never tried another filesystem that tests for end-to-en

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-04 Thread Orvar Korvar
Also, read this: http://c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6067-PSARC-2009479-zpool-recovery-support.html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-04 Thread Orvar Korvar
Such a functionality is in the ZFS code now. It will be available later for us http://c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6067-PSARC-2009479-zpool-recovery-support.html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.or

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-04 Thread Rob Warner
ZFS scrub will detect many types of error in your data or the filesystem metadata. If you have sufficient redundancy in your pool and the errors were not due to dropped or misordered writes, then they can often be automatically corrected during the scrub. If ZFS detects an error from which it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + fsck

2009-11-04 Thread Kevin Walker
Hi all, Just subscribed to the list after a debate on our helpdesk lead me to the posting about ZFS corruption and the need for a fsck repair tool of some kind... Has there been any update on this? Kind regards,   Kevin Walker Coreix Limited   DDI: (+44) 0207 183 1725 ext 90 Mobile: (+44) 0