Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-23 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Felix Buenemann wrote: > > Am 19.02.10 20:50, schrieb Bob Friesenhahn: >> >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> Too bad, I'm getting ~1000 IOPS with an Intel X25-M G2 MLC and around 300 with a regular USB stick, so 50 IOPS is really poor for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-22 Thread Miles Nordin
> "el" == Eugen Leitl writes: el> Wouldn't it be better investing these 300-350 EUR into 16 el> GByte or more of system memory, and a cheap UPS? If you think the UPS is good enough that you never have to worry about your machine rebooting then the extra memory isn't needed to match t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-20 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 20/02/2010 01:34, Rob Logan wrote: This would probably work given that your computer never crashes in an uncontrolled manner. If it does, some data may be lost (and possibly the entire pool lost, if you are unlucky). the pool would never be at risk, but when your server reboots, its c

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Felix Buenemann
Am 20.02.10 01:33, schrieb Toby Thain: On 19-Feb-10, at 5:40 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:17:29PM +0100, Felix Buenemann wrote: I found the Hyperdrive 5/5M, which is a half-height drive bay sata ramdisk with battery backup and auto-backup to compact flash at power failur

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Ragnar Sundblad
On 20 feb 2010, at 02.34, Rob Logan wrote: > >> An UPS plus disabling zil, or disabling synchronization, could possibly >> achieve the same result (or maybe better) iops wise. > Even with the fastest slog, disabling zil will always be faster... > (less bytes to move) > >> This would probably w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Thomas Garner
> These are the same as the acard devices we've discussed here > previously; earlier hyperdrive models were their own design.  Very > interesting, and my personal favourite, but I don't know of anyone > actually reporting results yet with them as ZIL. Here's one report: http://www.mail-archive.co

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Rob Logan
> An UPS plus disabling zil, or disabling synchronization, could possibly > achieve the same result (or maybe better) iops wise. Even with the fastest slog, disabling zil will always be faster... (less bytes to move) > This would probably work given that your computer never crashes > in an uncon

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Toby Thain
On 19-Feb-10, at 5:40 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:17:29PM +0100, Felix Buenemann wrote: I found the Hyperdrive 5/5M, which is a half-height drive bay sata ramdisk with battery backup and auto-backup to compact flash at power failure. Promises 65,000 IOPS and thus should

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:51:29PM +0100, Ragnar Sundblad wrote: > > On 19 feb 2010, at 23.40, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:17:29PM +0100, Felix Buenemann wrote: > >> I found the Hyperdrive 5/5M, which is a half-height drive bay sata > >> ramdisk with battery backup and auto-

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Ragnar Sundblad
On 19 feb 2010, at 23.40, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:17:29PM +0100, Felix Buenemann wrote: > >> I found the Hyperdrive 5/5M, which is a half-height drive bay sata >> ramdisk with battery backup and auto-backup to compact flash at power >> failure. >> Promises 65,000 IOPS a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:17:29PM +0100, Felix Buenemann wrote: > I found the Hyperdrive 5/5M, which is a half-height drive bay sata > ramdisk with battery backup and auto-backup to compact flash at power > failure. > Promises 65,000 IOPS and thus should be great for ZIL. It's pretty > reasona

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Felix Buenemann
Am 19.02.10 21:29, schrieb Marion Hakanson: felix.buenem...@googlemail.com said: I think I'll try one of thise inexpensive battery-backed PCI RAM drives from Gigabyte and see how much IOPS they can pull. Another poster, Tracy Bernath, got decent ZIL IOPS from an OCZ Vertex unit. Dunno if that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Marion Hakanson
felix.buenem...@googlemail.com said: > I think I'll try one of thise inexpensive battery-backed PCI RAM drives from > Gigabyte and see how much IOPS they can pull. Another poster, Tracy Bernath, got decent ZIL IOPS from an OCZ Vertex unit. Dunno if that's sufficient for your purposes, but it loo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, February 19, 2010 13:50, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >>> Too bad, I'm getting ~1000 IOPS with an Intel X25-M G2 MLC and around >>> 300 with a regular USB stick, so 50 IOPS is really poor for an SLC SSD. >> >> Well, but the Intel X25-M is the dri

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Felix Buenemann
Am 19.02.10 20:50, schrieb Bob Friesenhahn: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Too bad, I'm getting ~1000 IOPS with an Intel X25-M G2 MLC and around 300 with a regular USB stick, so 50 IOPS is really poor for an SLC SSD. Well, but the Intel X25-M is the drive that really first crac

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Too bad, I'm getting ~1000 IOPS with an Intel X25-M G2 MLC and around 300 with a regular USB stick, so 50 IOPS is really poor for an SLC SSD. Well, but the Intel X25-M is the drive that really first cracked the problem (earlier high-performance dri

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, February 19, 2010 12:50, Felix Buenemann wrote: > > Too bad, I'm getting ~1000 IOPS with an Intel X25-M G2 MLC and around > 300 with a regular USB stick, so 50 IOPS is really poor for an SLC SSD. Well, but the Intel X25-M is the drive that really first cracked the problem (earlier high-p

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Felix Buenemann
Am 19.02.10 19:30, schrieb Bob Friesenhahn: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Felix Buenemann wrote: So it is apparent, that the SSD has really poor random writes. But I was under the impression, that the ZIL is mostly sequential writes or was I misinformed here? Maybe the cache syncs bring the device to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Felix Buenemann wrote: So it is apparent, that the SSD has really poor random writes. But I was under the impression, that the ZIL is mostly sequential writes or was I misinformed here? Maybe the cache syncs bring the device to it's knees? That's what it seems like. T

[zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-19 Thread Felix Buenemann
Hi, I'm currently testing a Mtron Pro 7500 16GB SLC SSD as a ZIL device and seeing very poor performance for small file writes via NFS. Copying a source code directory with around 4000 small files to the ZFS pool over NFS without the SSD log device yields around 1000 IOPS (pool of 8 sata sha