Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Richard Elling wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Ross Walker wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Richard Elling> wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Ross Walker wrote: For random io the number of IOPS is 1000/(mean access + avg rotational latency) (in ms

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Ross Walker wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Richard Elling> wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Ross Walker wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:26 AM, Joachim Sandvik > wrote: does anybody have some numbers on speed on sata vs 15k sas? Is it really a big diffe

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Roch
Tim Cook writes: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Roch Bourbonnais > wrote: > > > > > Le 4 août 09 à 13:42, Joseph L. Casale a écrit : > > > > does anybody have some numbers on speed on sata vs 15k sas? > >>> > >> > >> The next chance I get, I will do a comparison. > >> > >> Is it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>>If by 'huge' you mean much more than 10K/7.2K in the data path with otherwise >>same number of spindles, then >>that has got to be because of something not specified here. >> > >No it doesn't. The response time on 10k drives is night and day better than >7.2k drives. VMware workloads look exa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Ross Walker
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Richard Elling wrote: > On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Ross Walker wrote: >> >> On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:26 AM, Joachim Sandvik >> wrote: >> >>> >>> does anybody have some numbers on speed on sata vs 15k sas? Is it really >>> a big difference? >> >> For random io the numb

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Ross Walker wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:26 AM, Joachim Sandvik re...@opensolaris.org> wrote: does anybody have some numbers on speed on sata vs 15k sas? Is it really a big difference? For random io the number of IOPS is 1000/(mean access + avg rotational lat

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Tim Cook
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Roch Bourbonnais wrote: > > Le 4 août 09 à 13:42, Joseph L. Casale a écrit : > > does anybody have some numbers on speed on sata vs 15k sas? >>> >> >> The next chance I get, I will do a comparison. >> >> Is it really a big difference? >>> >> >> I noticed a huge im

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:26 AM, Joachim Sandvik wrote: does anybody have some numbers on speed on sata vs 15k sas? Is it really a big difference? For random io the number of IOPS is 1000/(mean access + avg rotational latency) (in ms) Avg rotational latency is 1/2 the rotational late

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Le 4 août 09 à 13:42, Joseph L. Casale a écrit : does anybody have some numbers on speed on sata vs 15k sas? The next chance I get, I will do a comparison. Is it really a big difference? I noticed a huge improvement when I moved a virtualized pool off a series of 7200 RPM SATA discs to ev

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread James Lever
On 04/08/2009, at 9:42 PM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: I noticed a huge improvement when I moved a virtualized pool off a series of 7200 RPM SATA discs to even 10k SAS drives. Night and day... What I would really like to know is if it makes a big difference comparing say 7200RPM drives in mirro

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>does anybody have some numbers on speed on sata vs 15k sas? The next chance I get, I will do a comparison. >Is it really a big difference? I noticed a huge improvement when I moved a virtualized pool off a series of 7200 RPM SATA discs to even 10k SAS drives. Night and day... jlc _

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-04 Thread Joachim Sandvik
Thanks for your input, its good to read that not all are to positive. I will do a lot more testing before i do the final choice. I have never tested more than 3-5vm's on sata raids, but we use 40x sata with great result our backup box, but then its only 1 servers. does anybody have some numbe

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-03 Thread Tristan Ball
PM To: Joachim Sandvik Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup.. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Joachim Sandvik wrote: I am looking at a nas software from nexenta, and after some initial testing i like what i see. So i think we will

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-03 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Joachim Sandvik > wrote: > >> I am looking at a nas software from nexenta, and after some initial >> testing i like what i see. So i think we will find in funding the budget for >> a dual setup. >> >> We are l

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-03 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Joachim Sandvik wrote: > I am looking at a nas software from nexenta, and after some initial testing > i like what i see. So i think we will find in funding the budget for a dual > setup. > > We are looking at a dual cpu Supermicro server with about 32gb ram and 2 >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-03 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Joachim Sandvik wrote: Will the IOPS in the mirrored setup be so good, that a ssd cache disk might not be needed? And i then might go for 10 x mirror with 2 x 1tb instead of 9? I really dont think that space will be an issue This really depends on how many synchronous writ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-03 Thread Joachim Sandvik
Will the IOPS in the mirrored setup be so good, that a ssd cache disk might not be needed? And i then might go for 10 x mirror with 2 x 1tb instead of 9? I really dont think that space will be an issue on this system as we for now are using about 3tb, and i have been testing compression with gre

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-03 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Joachim Sandvik wrote: We are looking at a dual cpu Supermicro server with about 32gb ram and 2 x250gb OS disks, 21 x 1TB SATA disks, and 1 x 64gb SSD disk. The system will use nexenta's auto-cdp which i think are based on AVS to remote mirror to a system a few miles away.

[zfs-discuss] Need tips on zfs pool setup..

2009-08-03 Thread Joachim Sandvik
I am looking at a nas software from nexenta, and after some initial testing i like what i see. So i think we will find in funding the budget for a dual setup. We are looking at a dual cpu Supermicro server with about 32gb ram and 2 x250gb OS disks, 21 x 1TB SATA disks, and 1 x 64gb SSD disk.