Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-08-03 Thread Don Turnbull
This may have been mentioned elsewhere and, if so, I apologize for repeating. Is it possible your difficulty here is with the Marvell driver and not, strictly speaking, ZFS? The Solaris Marvell driver has had many, MANY bug fixes and continues to this day to be supported by IDR patches and o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ross wrote: Yes, I did miss that one, but could you remind me what exactly are the sd and ssd drivers? I can find lots of details about configuring them, but no basic documentation telling me what they are. Is your system lacking manual pages? I find excruciating deta

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread Larry Becke
sd is the older scsi-disk driver, ssd is the new scsi-disk driver (part of the leadville driver package) that allowed for more than 256 luns per target... We've had systems that used the sd drivers until we upgraded to newer, sun provided drivers for qlogic / emulex cards, which then were using

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread Larry Becke
You might check the hardware compatibility list at Sun's site.. It might list the driver that will be used for the card your looking at... I'm not sure, it's been a while since I've looked at it... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-di

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread Ross
Heh, that's one thing I love about Linux & Solaris - the amount of info you can find if you know what you're doing is scary. However, while that will work for the Marvell SATA card I do have fitted in a server, it's not going to help for the others - they are all items I'm researching for our n

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread Ross
> you could have tried "man sd" and "man ssd" D'oh. I'm far too used to downloading documentation online... when you come from a windows background having driver manuals on your system is rather unexpected :) Thanks James. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org __

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread Larry Becke
Where to find information?Do some searching... 1st off, run through the drivers loaded via modinfo - look to see if anything there is specific to your card. prtconf -v | pg - again, looking for your controller card... once you find it - look at the driver listed or tied to it, or failing t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread James C. McPherson
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Ross wrote: > Yes, I did miss that one, but could you remind me what exactly are the > sd and ssd drivers? I can find lots of details about configuring them, > but no basic documentation telling me what they are. you could have tried "man sd" and "man ss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread Ross
Interesting, thanks Miles. Up to this week I've never heard that any of this was tunable, but I'm more than happy to go in that direction if that's the way to do it. :-) Can anybody point me in the direction of where I find documentation for tunables for the Marvell SATA driver, the LSI SAS dr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-31 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hi, Most of the time while waiting on a disk to fail is spent in disk drivers and not ZFS itself. If you want to lower the timeouts than you can do so by configuring different timeouts for sd. ssd or any other driver you are using. See http://wikis.sun.com/display/StorageDev/Retry-Reset+Parame

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Ross
Hi Richard, Yes, I did miss that one, but could you remind me what exactly are the sd and ssd drivers? I can find lots of details about configuring them, but no basic documentation telling me what they are. I'm also a little confused as to whether it would have helped our case. The logs abov

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Rob Terhaar (rob...@robbyt.net) wrote: > I'm sure this has been discussed in the past. But its very hard to > understand, or even patch incredibly advanced software such as ZFS > without a deep understanding of the internals. It's also very hard for the primary ZFS developers to satisfy everyone

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Rob Terhaar
I'm sure this has been discussed in the past. But its very hard to understand, or even patch incredibly advanced software such as ZFS without a deep understanding of the internals. It will take quite a while before anyone can start understanding a file system which was developed behind closed door

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 30, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Ross wrote: Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8, based on the Marvell chipset. I figured it was the best available at the time since it's using the same chipset as the x4500 Thumper servers. Our next machine will be using LSI controllers, but I'm still not entirely happ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread C. Bergström
Ross wrote: Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8, based on the Marvell chipset. I figured it was the best available at the time since it's using the same chipset as the x4500 Thumper servers. Our next machine will be using LSI controllers, but I'm still not entirely happy with the way ZFS handles timeout

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Ross
Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8, based on the Marvell chipset. I figured it was the best available at the time since it's using the same chipset as the x4500 Thumper servers. Our next machine will be using LSI controllers, but I'm still not entirely happy with the way ZFS handles timeout type errors.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread roland
what`s your disk controller? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss