Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-20 Thread Keith Bierman
>hopefully the lead itself won't be >radioactive) Or the chips themselves don't have some alpha particle generation. It has happened and from premium vendors There is no replacement for good system design :) khb...@gmail.com Sent from my iPod

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-07-01 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jul 1, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Neal Pollack wrote: many more. Do the math. That's many many tons of lead and acid in the dump every 24 months. Why do you believe they aren't recycled? Lead acid batteries are usually recycled very effectively khb...@gmail.com | keith.bier...@quantu

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs on 32 bit?

2009-06-15 Thread Keith Bierman
I had a 32 bit zfs server up for months with no such issue Performance is not great but it's no buggier than anything else. War stories from the initial zfs drops notwithstanding khb...@gmail.com | keith.bier...@quantum.com Sent from my iPod On Jun 15, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Orvar Korvar wrote

Re: [zfs-discuss] Observation of Device Layout vs Performance

2009-01-06 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:12 AM 1/6/, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Keith Bierman wrote: > >> Do you get the same sort of results from /dev/random? > > /dev/random is very slow and should not be used for benchmarking. > Not directly, no. But copying from /dev/

Re: [zfs-discuss] Observation of Device Layout vs Performance

2009-01-06 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:44 AM 1/6/, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > but catting /dev/zero to a file in the pool now f Do you get the same sort of results from /dev/random? I wouldn't be surprised if /dev/zero turns out to be a special case. Indeed, using any of the special files is probably not ideal.

Re: [zfs-discuss] VERY URGENT Compliance for ZFS

2008-11-10 Thread Keith Bierman
On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:47 AM, Vikash Gupta wrote: > Hi Parmesh, > > Looks like this tender specification meant for Veritas. > > How do you handle this particular clause ? >>> Shall provide Centralized, Cross platform, Single console management > GUI > Does it really make sense to have a discussion

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solved - a big THANKS to Victor Latushkin @ Sun / Moscow

2008-10-11 Thread Keith Bierman
On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:55 PM 10/10/, David Magda wrote: > > If someone finds themselves in this position, what advice can be > followed to minimize risks? Can you ask for two LUNs on different physical SAN devices and have an expectation of getting it? > -- Keith H. Bierman [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [zfs-discuss] An slog experiment (my NAS can beat up your NAS)

2008-10-09 Thread Keith Bierman
On Oct 8, 2008, at 4:27 PM 10/8/, Jim Dunham wrote: > , a single Solaris node can not be both > the primary and secondary node. > > If one wants this type of mirror functionality on a single node, use > host based or controller based mirroring software. If one is running multiple zones, couldn

Re: [zfs-discuss] Greenbytes/Cypress

2008-09-23 Thread Keith Bierman
On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > > So you admit that you didn't grok it? :-) > Dude poured in a big bag of gumballs, but they were de-duped, > so the gumball machine only had a few gumballs. > When my data is deduped that's a GoodThing (other than my unanswered query to th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Intel M-series SSD

2008-09-10 Thread Keith Bierman
On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Keith Bierman wrote: > >>> written at once, 512KB needs to be erased at once. This means that >>> write performance to an empty device will seem initially pretty >>> good, >>>

Re: [zfs-discuss] Intel M-series SSD

2008-09-10 Thread Keith Bierman
On Sep 10, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > Write performance to SSDs is not all it is cracked up to be. Buried > in the AnandTech writeup, there is mention that while 4K can be > written at once, 512KB needs to be erased at once. This means that > write performance to an empty dev

Re: [zfs-discuss] eWeek: corrupt file brought down FAA's antiquated IT system

2008-08-28 Thread Keith Bierman
On Aug 28, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > The old FORTRAN code > either had to be ported or new code written from scratch. Assuming it WAS written in FORTRAN there is no reason to believe it wouldn't just compile with a modern Fortran compiler. I've often run codes originally w

Re: [zfs-discuss] pulling disks was: ZFS hangs/freezes after disk failure,

2008-08-27 Thread Keith Bierman
On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Richard Elling wrote: In my pile of broken parts, I have devices > which fail to indicate an unrecoverable read, yet do indeed suffer > from forgetful media. A long time ago, in a hw company long since dead and buried, I spent some months trying to find an i

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-08-26 Thread Keith Bierman
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Keith Bierman wrote: > >> >> >> >>> >> On a SPARC CMT (Niagara 1+) based system wouldn't that be likely to have a >> large impact? >> > > UltraSPARC T

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-08-26 Thread Keith Bierman
On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: > > than a private copy. I wouldn't expect that to have too big an > impact (I > On a SPARC CMT (Niagara 1+) based system wouldn't that be likely to have a large impact? -- Keith H. Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] | AIM kbiermank 5430 Na

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-10 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > I expect that Sun is realizing that it is already undercutting much of > the rest of its product line. a) Failure to do so just means that someone else does, and wins the customer. b) A lot of "enterprise class" infrastructure wonks are v

Re: [zfs-discuss] confusion and frustration with zpool

2008-07-09 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jul 9, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Miles Nordin wrote: >> "ah" == Al Hopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ah> I've had bad experiences with the Seagate products. > > I've had bad experiences with all of them. > (maxtor, hgst, seagate, wd) > > ah> My guess is that it's related to duty cycl

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-08 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jul 8, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Richard Elling wrote: > much fun for people who want to hide costs. For example, some bright > manager decided that they should charge $100/month/port for ethernet > drops. So now, instead of having a centralized, managed network with > well defined port mappings, e

Re: [zfs-discuss] [caiman-discuss] swap & dump on ZFS volume

2008-07-01 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Miles Nordin wrote: > > I don't think it's overrated at all. People all around me are using > this dynamic_pager right now, and they just reboot when they see too > many pinwheels. If they are ``quite happy,'' it's not with their > pager. I often exist in a sea of m

Re: [zfs-discuss] [caiman-discuss] swap & dump on ZFS volume

2008-06-24 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jun 24, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Dave Miner wrote: > I doubt we'd have interest in providing more configurability in the > interactive installer. As Richard sort of points out subsequently, > most > people wouldn't know what to do here, anyway, and the ones who do > usually use automated provisio

Re: [zfs-discuss] Oracle and ZFS

2008-06-23 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jun 23, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Miles Nordin wrote: > unplanned power outage that > happens after fsync returns Aye, but isn't that the real rub ... when the power fails after the write but *before* the fsync has occurred... -- Keith H. Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] | AIM kbiermank 5430 Na

Re: [zfs-discuss] Filesystem for each home dir - 10,000 users?

2008-06-12 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jun 12, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Chris Siebenmann wrote: > > Or to put it another way: disk space is a permanent commitment, > servers are not. In the olden times (e.g. 1980s) on various CDC and Univac timesharing services, I recall there being two kinds of storage ... "dayfiles" and permanen

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can't rm file when "No space left on device"...

2008-06-05 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jun 5, 2008, at 8:58 PM 6/5/, Brad Diggs wrote: > Hi Keith, > > Sure you can truncate some files but that effectively corrupts > the files in our case and would cause more harm than good. The > only files in our volume are data files. > So an rm is ok, but a truncation is not? Seems odd

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can't rm file when "No space left on device"...

2008-06-04 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jun 4, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Brad Diggs wrote: > > At this point, the only way in which I can free up sufficient > space to remove either file is to first remove the snapshot. Can't you just truncate a large file or two? Sadly I lack the time to try your example right now, but I'd have guess

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!

2008-06-04 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jun 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 11:52 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: >> but we got one server in >> where 4 of the 8 drives failed in the first two months, at which >> point we called Seagate and they were happy to swap out all 8 drives >> for us. I s

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Project Hardware

2008-06-02 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jun 2, 2008, at 3:24 AM 6/2/, Erik Trimble wrote: > Keith Bierman wrote: >> On May 30, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: >> >> >>> The only drawback of the older Socket 940 Opterons is that they >>> don't >>> support the hardware V

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Project Hardware

2008-06-01 Thread Keith Bierman
On May 30, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: > The only drawback of the older Socket 940 Opterons is that they don't > support the hardware VT extensions, so running a Windows guest > under xVM > on them isn't currently possible. From the VirtualBox manual, page 11 • No hardware virtua

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS sharing options for Windows

2008-05-30 Thread Keith Bierman
On May 30, 2008, at 6:49 AM 5/30/, Craig J Smith wrote: > > It also should be noted that I am > having to run on Solaris and not Opensolaris due to adaptec > am79c973 scsi > driver issues in Opensolaris. Well that is probably a showstopper then, since the in-kernel support isn't in the pr

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS sharing options for Windows

2008-05-30 Thread Keith Bierman
On May 30, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Craig Smith wrote: > The tough thing is trying to make this fit > well in a Windows world. If you hang all the disks off the OpenSolaris system directly, and export via CIFS ... isn't it just a NAS box from the windows perspective? If so, how is it any harder to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Project Hardware

2008-05-28 Thread Keith Bierman
On May 28, 2008, at 10:27 AM 5/28/, Richard Elling wrote: > Since the mechanics are the same, the difference is in the electronics In my very distant past, I did QA work for an electronic component manufacturer. Even parts which were "identical" were expected to behave quite differently .

Re: [zfs-discuss] The ZFS inventor and Linus sitting in a tree?

2008-05-20 Thread Keith Bierman
On May 20, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> ,,, > It may be that you confuse the term "work" in trying to extend it > in a wrong way. ...many wise words elided... Not being a lawyer, and this not being a Legal forum ... can we leave

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS pool/filesystem layout design considerations

2008-05-14 Thread Keith Bierman
On May 14, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Todd E. Moore wrote: I'm working with a group who is designing an application that distributes redundant copies of their data across multiple server nodes; something akin to RAIS (redundant array of independent servers). That part sounds good. Within the in

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Keith Bierman
On Apr 15, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Keith Bierman wrote: >> >> Perhaps providing the computations rather than the conclusions >> would be more persuasive on a technical list ;> > > No doubt. The computations depend c

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Keith Bierman
On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Tim wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Maurice Volaski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have 16 disks in RAID 5 and I'm not worried. >I'm sure you're already aware, but if not, 22 drives in a raid-6 is >absolutely SUICIDE when using SATA disks. 12 disks is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Administration

2008-04-09 Thread Keith Bierman
On Apr 9, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Wee Yeh Tan wrote: > I'm just thinking out loud. What would be the advantage of having > periodic snapshot taken within ZFS vs invoking it from an external > facility? I suspect that the people requesting this really want a unified management tool (GUI and possibly

Re: [zfs-discuss] Downgrade zpool version?

2008-04-07 Thread Keith Bierman
On Apr 7, 2008, at 1:46 PM, David Loose wrote: > my Solaris samba shares never really played well with iTunes. > > Another approach might be to stick with Solaris on the server, and run netatalk instead of SAMBA (or, you know your macs can speak NFS ;>). -- Keith H. Bierman [EMAIL PROTECT