Re: [zfs-discuss] Need 1.5 TB drive size to use for array for testing

2009-08-21 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Fri, Aug 21 at 12:22, Jason Pfingstmann wrote: This is an odd question, to be certain, but I need to find out what size a 1.5 TB drive is to help me create a sparse/fake array. (Personally, I think you're making your job a lot harder than it should be. Just wait til you have the real disks,

[zfs-discuss] Move home filesystem to new pool

2009-08-21 Thread Stathis Kamperis
Greetings to everyone! I'm trying to move the home filesystem from my root pool to another pool, and I'm really lost. Specifically to move rpool/export/home to tank/home. I did the following: 1. Created a snapshot of rpool/export/home (with -r option set) 2. Did a zfs send -R ... | zfs receive -d

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Tutorial at LISA09

2009-08-21 Thread Tristan Ball
Marcus wrote: - how to best handle broken disks/controllers without ZFS hanging or being unable to replace the disk A definite +1 here. I realise it's something that Sun probably consider "fixed by the disk/controller drivers", however many of us are using opensolaris on non-sun hardware,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Richard Elling wrote: magnitude for HDDs). Depending on the repair policy, the probability of losing a SAS controller is expected to be less than the probability of losing 3 disks in a raidz2. Since SAS is relatively easy to make redundant, a really paranoid person would h

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Ron Mexico wrote: Since I can't make a mirrored raidz2, I'd like the next best thing. If that means doing a zfs send from one raidz2 to the other, that's fine. Without using heirarchical servers (e.g. volumes from a zfs pool exported via iSCSI to be part of another zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Tim Cook wrote: Raid10 won't provide as much protection. Raidz21, you can lose any 4 drives, and up to 14 if it's the right 14. Raid10, if you lose the wrong two drives, you're done. On the flip side, the chance of loosing a second drive during the recovery interval is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
comment far below... On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Richard Elling > wrote: On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Richard Elling > wrote: My vote is with Ross. KISS wins :-) Disclaimer: I'm also a member of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Adam Sherman wrote: On 21-Aug-09, at 21:04 , Richard Elling wrote: My point is, RAIDZx+1 SHOULD be simple. I don't entirely understand why it hasn't been implemented. I can only imagine like so many other things it's because there hasn't been significant cus

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Richard Elling >> wrote: >> >> My vote is with Ross. KISS wins :-) >> Disclaimer: I'm also a member of BAARF. >> >> >> My point is, RAIDZx+1 SHOULD be simple

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Adam Sherman
On 21-Aug-09, at 21:04 , Richard Elling wrote: My point is, RAIDZx+1 SHOULD be simple. I don't entirely understand why it hasn't been implemented. I can only imagine like so many other things it's because there hasn't been significant customer demand. Unfortunate if it's as simple as I be

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Richard Elling > wrote: My vote is with Ross. KISS wins :-) Disclaimer: I'm also a member of BAARF. My point is, RAIDZx+1 SHOULD be simple. I don't entirely understand why it hasn't been implemented. I can only i

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > On Aug 21, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker wrote: >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: >> >> I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be >> based

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 21, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker wrote: On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Ron Mexico wrote: You'll have to add a bit of meat to "this"! What are you resiliency, space and performance requirements? Resiliency is most important, followed by space and then speed. It's primary function is to host digital assets for ad agencies and backups of other servers and wor

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ron Mexico
> You'll have to add a bit of meat to "this"! > > What are you resiliency, space and performance > requirements? Resiliency is most important, followed by space and then speed. It's primary function is to host digital assets for ad agencies and backups of other servers and workstations in the o

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Ross Walker wrote: > On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker < > rswwal...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico < >> no-re...@opensolaris.org> wrote: >> >> I'm in the process o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Failure of Quicktime *.mov files after move to zfs disk

2009-08-21 Thread Enrico Maria Crisostomo
Check with Vista if you have permissions to read the file. I experienced the same problem (that's why I posted another questions to the CIFS mailing list about mapping users with idmap). It always happens when I copy these files from the iPhone. These files result with such permissions: $ ls -dV I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Ron Mexico wrote: I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/E HBAs. Each HBA will be connected to a 24 bay Supermicro JBOD chassis. Each chassis will have 12 drives to start out with, giving us r

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker wrote: On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SA

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Jason Pfingstmann
As you can add multiple vdevs to a pool, my suggestion would be to do several smaller raidz1 or raidz2 vdevs in the pool. With your setup - assuming 2 HBAs @ 24 drives each your setup would have yielded 20 drives usable storage (about) (assuming raidz2 with 2 spares on each HBA) and then mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker wrote: > On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: > > I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be >> based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/E HBAs. >> Each HBA will be connected to a 24

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/E HBAs. Each HBA will be connected to a 24 bay Supermicro JBOD chassis. Each chassis will have 12 dr

[zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ron Mexico
I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/E HBAs. Each HBA will be connected to a 24 bay Supermicro JBOD chassis. Each chassis will have 12 drives to start out with, giving us room for expansion as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Failure of Quicktime *.mov files after move to zfs disk

2009-08-21 Thread Scott Laird
Checksum all of the files using something like md5sum and see if they're actually identical. Then test each step of the copy and see which one is corrupting your files. On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > During the course of backup I had occassion to copy a number of > quickti

[zfs-discuss] Failure of Quicktime *.mov files after move to zfs disk

2009-08-21 Thread Harry Putnam
During the course of backup I had occassion to copy a number of quicktime video (*.mov) files to zfs server disk. Once there... navigating to them with quicktime player and opening results in a failure that (From windows Vista laptop) says: error --43: A file could not be found (Welcome.mov)

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains "configured".

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Jorgen Lundman wrote: Ian Collins wrote: Jorgen Lundman wrote: Finally came to the reboot maintenance to reboot the x4540 to make it see the newly replaced HDD. I tried, reboot, then power-cycle, and reboot -- -r, but I can not make the x4540 accept any HDD in that bay. I'm starting to th

Re: [zfs-discuss] What's eating my disk space? Missing snapshots?

2009-08-21 Thread Matthew Stevenson
Thank you very much, this explains it perfectly. I had been coming to the conclusion that the shared data must be what accounts for the "missing" space, but previously my thinking/expectation was that it would be "charged" against the snapshot in which the shared data first appeared. Doing that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nautilus Access List Tab

2009-08-21 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Hi Chris, You might repost this query on desktop-discuss to find out the status of the Access List tab. Last I heard, it was being reworked. Cindy On 08/21/09 10:14, Chris wrote: How do I get this in OpenSolaris 2009.06? http://www.alobbs.com/albums/albun26/ZFS_acl_dialog1.jpg thanks. _

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Tutorial at LISA09

2009-08-21 Thread Marcus
I won't be able to attend, but being subscribed to this list and the storage list for a short while, the following topics would come to mind: - ZFS pool layout tips (not possible to grow RaidZ, proper planning, when to not use RaidZ for high IOPS volumes etc.) - how to best handle broken disks/con

Re: [zfs-discuss] Not sure how to do this in zfs

2009-08-21 Thread Gregory Skelton
Thanks for your reply Andrey, Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see the files in that directory from any of scenario's. It seems a zfs inside another zfs is causing the problem. Of course when I put just a directory inside the zfs, everything can be seen. Cheers, Greg On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, An

[zfs-discuss] Need 1.5 TB drive size to use for array for testing

2009-08-21 Thread Jason Pfingstmann
This is an odd question, to be certain, but I need to find out what size a 1.5 TB drive is to help me create a sparse/fake array. Basically, if I could have someone do a dd if=<1.5 TB disk> of= and then post the ls -l size of that file, it would greatly assist me. Here's what I'm doing: I hav

Re: [zfs-discuss] Not sure how to do this in zfs

2009-08-21 Thread Andrey V. Elsukov
Gregory Skelton wrote: I've tried changing all kinds of attributes for the zfs's, but I can't seem to find the right configuration. So I'm trying to move some zfs's under another, it looks like this: /pool/joe_user move to /pool/homes/joe_user You can do it in several ways: 1. Create a new F

Re: [zfs-discuss] *Almost* empty ZFS filesystem - 14GB?

2009-08-21 Thread Chris Murray
That looks like it indeed. Output of zdb - Object lvl iblk dblk lsize asize type 9516K 8K 150G 14.0G ZFS plain file 264 bonus ZFS znode path??? Thanks for the help in clearing this up - satisfies my curiosity.

[zfs-discuss] Not sure how to do this in zfs

2009-08-21 Thread Gregory Skelton
Hello all, I've tried changing all kinds of attributes for the zfs's, but I can't seem to find the right configuration. So I'm trying to move some zfs's under another, it looks like this: /pool/joe_user move to /pool/homes/joe_user I know I can do this with zfs rename, and everything is fine

Re: [zfs-discuss] *Almost* empty ZFS filesystem - 14GB?

2009-08-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 06:46:32AM -0700, Chris Murray wrote: > Nico, what is a zero-link file, and how would I go about finding > whether I have one? You'll have to bear with me, I'm afraid, as I'm > still building my Solaris knowledge at the minute - I was brought up > on Windows. I use Solaris f

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Confusion

2009-08-21 Thread Volker A. Brandt
> > Can you actually see the literal commands? A bit like MySQL's 'show > > create table'? Or are you just intrepreting the output? > > Just interpreting the output. Actually you could see the commands on the "old" server by using zpool history oradata Regards -- Volker -- ---

Re: [zfs-discuss] filesystem notification / query

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 21, 2009, at 4:13 AM, Felix Nielsen wrote: thx will look into that, but would really to be able to "query" something and get a result back with all "changes" See the Solaris Administration Guide: Security Service for the section on auditing. http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4557/a

Re: [zfs-discuss] 80% full .. automatically deleting backups....

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 20, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Johan Eliasson wrote: Got a curious message the other day.. that my tank is över 80% full and that ZFS has deleted old backups to free up space. That's curious since I'm not using the Time Slider for tank, only for rpool... So what exactly did it delete??

[zfs-discuss] Nautilus Access List Tab

2009-08-21 Thread Chris
How do I get this in OpenSolaris 2009.06? http://www.alobbs.com/albums/albun26/ZFS_acl_dialog1.jpg thanks. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virtual harddrive and ZFS performance

2009-08-21 Thread David Magda
On Fri, August 21, 2009 11:18, David Magda wrote: > The current default value ignores flush requests from guest OSes, but this > can't tweaked via a parameter (11.1.3 Responding to guest IDE flush > requests): s/can't/can be/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing li

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virtual harddrive and ZFS performance

2009-08-21 Thread David Magda
On Fri, August 21, 2009 10:32, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > Various people have stated here that VirtualBox intentionally does not > pass through cache flush requests. The current default value ignores flush requests from guest OSes, but this can't tweaked via a parameter (11.1.3 Responding to guest

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Confusion

2009-08-21 Thread Stephen Nelson-Smith
Sorry - didn't realised I'd replied only to you. > You can either set the mountpoint property when you create the dataset or do > it > in a second operation after the create. > > Either: > # zfs create -o mountpoint=/u01 rpool/u01 > > or: > # zfs create rpool/u01 > # zfs set mountpoint=/u01 rpool/

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Confusion

2009-08-21 Thread Eric Sproul
Stephen Nelson-Smith wrote: > Hi, > >> I presume you've already installed your new server with the same rpool >> configuration as your original, so you're asking how to recreate your two >> other >> pools. > > Correct - and also the mountpoints, which seem particulary confusing: > > -bash-3.00#

Re: [zfs-discuss] *Almost* empty ZFS filesystem - 14GB?

2009-08-21 Thread Francois Napoleoni
Yup try to see what the ouput of # zdb - / if you find big file(s) without pathname you are in ... it should look like this : ... Object lvl iblk dblk lsize asize type 6516K 128K 300G 70.0G ZFS plain file 264 bonus ZFS znode

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virtual harddrive and ZFS performance

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Johan Eliasson wrote: So a full NTFS defrag should result in just a long sequential ZFS write? That would depend on how the defrag algorithm works, how often NTFS issues a synchronous write request (cache flush), how much memory is installed on your Solaris system, and h

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to remove [alternate] cylinders from slice 9?

2009-08-21 Thread Andrew Gabriel
You can remove them by using fmthard(1M) instead of format(1M). This allows full access to all 16 slices on x86. Actually, if you want an exact copy of the VToC, grab the output of prtvtoc(1M) from one disk, and send it into fmthard -s on the other disk. (I've not tried this where EFI labels a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Confusion

2009-08-21 Thread Eric Sproul
Stephen Nelson-Smith wrote: > On my new server I've inserted new 6 disks, run devfsadm and labelled > them. I want to get the same set up as the previous, but can't for > the life of me work out what I did. I can't find my notes, and the > documentation is just confusing me. > > Can someone poin

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Tutorial at LISA09

2009-08-21 Thread Eric Sproul
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > An obvious item to cover is the new Flash Archive support as well as the > changes to Live Upgrade due to zfs boot. Also, the benefits and issues > associated with adding SSDs to the mix. > > Based on the last zfs talk I attended at a LISA, system administrators > are lar

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to remove [alternate] cylinders from slice 9?

2009-08-21 Thread Jeff Victor
Thanks Trevor. Good to hear from you. I needed to use '-e' to move forward. I think I was confused because these sources seem to disagree on SMI vs. EFI labels for ZFS: ZFS always uses EFI: * "ZFS formats the disk using an EFI label to contain a single, large slice" - no mention of any except

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Confusion

2009-08-21 Thread Stephen Nelson-Smith
Hello, It could be lack of sleep, but I can't work this out. On one server (which I built about 6 months ago) I have this: -bash-3.00# mount / on rpool/ROOT/s10s_u6wos_07b read/write/setuid/devices/dev=4010002 on Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 /devices on /devices read/write/setuid/devices/dev=510

Re: [zfs-discuss] *Almost* empty ZFS filesystem - 14GB?

2009-08-21 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
Chris Murray wrote: Nico, what is a zero-link file, and how would I go about finding whether I have one? You'll have to bear with me, I'm afraid, as I'm still building my Solaris knowledge at the minute - I was brought up on Windows. I use Solaris for my storage needs now though, and slowly im

Re: [zfs-discuss] *Almost* empty ZFS filesystem - 14GB?

2009-08-21 Thread Chris Murray
Nico, what is a zero-link file, and how would I go about finding whether I have one? You'll have to bear with me, I'm afraid, as I'm still building my Solaris knowledge at the minute - I was brought up on Windows. I use Solaris for my storage needs now though, and slowly improving on my knowledg

[zfs-discuss] possible resilver bugs

2009-08-21 Thread Markus Kovero
Hi, I don't have means to replicate this issue nor file a bug about it so I'd like your opinion about these issues or perhaps make bug report if necessary. In scenario where is say three raidz2 groups consisting several disks, two disks fail in different raidz-groups. You have degraded pool and

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains "configured".

2009-08-21 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Nope, that it does not. Ian Collins wrote: Jorgen Lundman wrote: Finally came to the reboot maintenance to reboot the x4540 to make it see the newly replaced HDD. I tried, reboot, then power-cycle, and reboot -- -r, but I can not make the x4540 accept any HDD in that bay. I'm starting t

Re: [zfs-discuss] filesystem notification / query

2009-08-21 Thread Felix Nielsen
thx will look into that, but would really to be able to "query" something and get a result back with all "changes" -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/l

[zfs-discuss] bug :zpool create allow member driver as the raw drive of full partition

2009-08-21 Thread ??
IF you run solaris and opensolaris ,for example you my use c0t0d0 (for scsi disk) or c0d0 (for ide /SATA disk ) as the system disk. In default ,solaris x86 and opensolaris will use RAW driver : c0t0d0s0 (/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0) as the member driver of rpool. Infact, solaris2 partition can be more th

[zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs with indefinite writes

2009-08-21 Thread No Guarantees
Every time I attempt to import a particular RAID-Z pool, my system hangs. Specifically, if I open up a gnome terminal and input '$ pfexec import zpool mypool', the process will never complete and I will return to the prompt. If I open up another terminal, I can input a 'zpool status" and see

Re: [zfs-discuss] filesystem notification / query

2009-08-21 Thread Chris Ridd
On 20 Aug 2009, at 21:22, Felix Nielsen wrote: Hi Is it possible to get filesystem notification like when files are created, modified, deleted? or can the "activity" be exported? If you have a vscan service then that will get notified when files are accessed or modified; would that be su

Re: [zfs-discuss] creating zones in open solaris on x86

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
sai prasath wrote: Hi I have installed open solaris on HP Proliant ML 370 G6.While creating zones I am getting error message for the following command. #zfs create -o canmount=noauto rpool/ROOT/S10be/zones cannot create 'rpool/ROOT/S10be/zones': parent does not exist. what does "zfs list -r

Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot restore to [snapshot]: destination already exists

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Tony Pyro wrote: I'm running into a problem trying to do "zfs receive", with data being replicated from a Solaris 10 (11/06 release) to a storage server running OS 118. Here is the error: r...@lznas2:/backup# cat backup+mcc+use...@zn2---pre_messages_delete_20090430 | zfs receive backup/mcc/u

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains "configured".

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Jorgen Lundman wrote: Finally came to the reboot maintenance to reboot the x4540 to make it see the newly replaced HDD. I tried, reboot, then power-cycle, and reboot -- -r, but I can not make the x4540 accept any HDD in that bay. I'm starting to think that perhaps we did not lose the origin

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send speed

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Joseph L. Casale wrote: I have my own application that uses large circular buffers and a socket connection between hosts. The buffers keep data flowing during ZFS writes and the direct connection cuts out ssh. Application, as in not script (something you can share)? Not yet! -- Ian.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS tale of woe and fail

2009-08-21 Thread Ross
It was blogged about on Joyent Tim: http://www.joyent.com/joyeurblog/2008/01/16/strongspace-and-bingodisk-update/ http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6458218 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@