Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-08-12 Thread Tristan Ball
In my testing, vmware doesn't see the vm1 and vm2 filesystems. Vmware doesn't have an automounter, and doesn't traverse NFS4 sub-mounts (whatever the formal name for them is). Actually, it doesn't support NFS4 at all! Regards, Tristan. -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-08-12 Thread James Hess
> The real benefit of the of using a > separate zvol for each vm is the instantaneous > cloning of a machine, and the clone will take almost > no additional space initially. In our case we build a You don't have to use ZVOL devices to do that. As mentioned by others... > zfs create my_pool/group1

[zfs-discuss] unsetting/resetting ZFS properties

2009-08-12 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Hello, I recently asked myself this question: Is it possible to unset ZFS properties? Or reset one to its default state without looking up what that default state is? I believe the answer is yes, via the zfs inherit command (I haven't verified yet, but I think a case could be made to add func

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import -f rpool hangs

2009-08-12 Thread Vladimir Novakovic
I tried to rename and import rpool and to use those /etc/system settings, but without success. :-( I've tried also to do this use installed OpenSolaris 5.11 snv_111b and I have the same result as with Solaris 10. vladi...@opensolaris:~# zpool import pool: rpool id: 8451126758019843293 stat

Re: [zfs-discuss] utf8only and normalization properties

2009-08-12 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:17:44PM -0500, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > I'm wondering what are some use cases for ZFS's utf8only and > normalization properties. They are off/none by default, and can only be > set when the filesystem is created. When should they specifically be > enabled and/or disable

Re: [zfs-discuss] file change long - was zfs fragmentation

2009-08-12 Thread Ross Walker
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Mattias Pantzare wrote: It would be nice if ZFS had something similar to VxFS File Change Log. This feature is very useful for incremental backups and other directory walkers, providing they support FCL. >>> >>> I think this tangent deserves its own t

[zfs-discuss] utf8only and normalization properties

2009-08-12 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Hello, I'm wondering what are some use cases for ZFS's utf8only and normalization properties. They are off/none by default, and can only be set when the filesystem is created. When should they specifically be enabled and/or disabled? (i.e. Where is using them a really good idea? Where is

Re: [zfs-discuss] file change long - was zfs fragmentation

2009-08-12 Thread Mattias Pantzare
>>> It would be nice if ZFS had something similar to VxFS File Change Log. >>> This feature is very useful for incremental backups and other >>> directory walkers, providing they support FCL. >> >> I think this tangent deserves its own thread.  :) >> >> To save a trip to google... >> >> http://sfdo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS dynamically grow pool sizes? (re: Windows Home Server)

2009-08-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
> >Yes, if you stick (say) a 1.5TB, 1TB, and .5TB drive together in a > >RAIDZ, you will get only 1TB of usable space. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 05:30:14PM -0400, Adam Sherman wrote: > I believe you will get .5 TB in this example, no? The slices used on each of the three disks will be .5TB. Mult

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS dynamically grow pool sizes? (re: Windows Home Server)

2009-08-12 Thread Carson Gaspar
Erik Trimble wrote: Yes, if you stick (say) a 1.5TB, 1TB, and .5TB drive together in a RAIDZ, you will get only 1TB of usable space. Of course, there is always the ability to use partitions instead of the whole disk, but I'm not going to go into that. Suffice to say, RAIDZ (and practically

Re: [zfs-discuss] file change long - was zfs fragmentation

2009-08-12 Thread Ross Walker
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Mike Gerdts wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Damjan > Perenic wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Richard >> Elling wrote: >>> On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Ed Spencer wrote: >>> I suspect that if we 'rsync' one of these filesystems to a second

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS dynamically grow pool sizes? (re: Windows Home Server)

2009-08-12 Thread Adam Sherman
I believe you will get .5 TB in this example, no? A. -- Adam Sherman +1.613.797.6819 On 2009-08-12, at 16:44, Erik Trimble wrote: Eric D. Mudama wrote: On Wed, Aug 12 at 12:11, Erik Trimble wrote: Anyways, if I have a bunch of different size disks (1.5 TB, 1.0 TB, 500 GB, etc), can I pu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS dynamically grow pool sizes? (re: Windows Home Server)

2009-08-12 Thread Erik Trimble
Eric D. Mudama wrote: On Wed, Aug 12 at 12:11, Erik Trimble wrote: Anyways, if I have a bunch of different size disks (1.5 TB, 1.0 TB, 500 GB, etc), can I put them all into one big array and have data redundancy, etc? (RAID-Z?) Yes. RAID-Z requires a minimum of 3 drives, and it can use diffe

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question about mirror vdev performance considerations

2009-08-12 Thread Richard Elling
Your example is too simple :-) On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Charles Menser wrote: With four drives A,A,B,B where A is fast access and/or high-throughput, and B is either slow to seek and/or has slower transfer speed, what are the implications for mirrored ZFS pools? In particular I am wonderin

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs fragmentation

2009-08-12 Thread Scott Lawson
Ed Spencer wrote: I don't know of any reason why we can't turn 1 backup job per filesystem into say, up to say , 26 based on the cyrus file and directory structure. No reason whatsoever. Sometimes the more the better as per the rest of this thread. The key here is to test and tweak till you

[zfs-discuss] Question about mirror vdev performance considerations

2009-08-12 Thread Charles Menser
With four drives A,A,B,B where A is fast access and/or high-throughput, and B is either slow to seek and/or has slower transfer speed, what are the implications for mirrored ZFS pools? In particular I am wondering how the IO performance will compare between: zpool create mypool mirror A A mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS dynamically grow pool sizes? (re: Windows Home Server)

2009-08-12 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Wed, Aug 12 at 12:11, Erik Trimble wrote: Anyways, if I have a bunch of different size disks (1.5 TB, 1.0 TB, 500 GB, etc), can I put them all into one big array and have data redundancy, etc? (RAID-Z?) Yes. RAID-Z requires a minimum of 3 drives, and it can use different drives. Depending

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS dynamically grow pool sizes? (re: Windows Home Server)

2009-08-12 Thread Erik Trimble
Take a look back through the mail archives for more discussion about this topic (expanding zpools). The short answers are: John Klimek wrote: I'm a software developer with a little bit of experience in Linux but I've been wanting to build a fileserver and I've recently heard about ZFS. Righ

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD (SLC) for cache...

2009-08-12 Thread Adam Leventhal
My question is about SSD, and the differences between use SLC for readzillas instead of MLC. Sun uses MLCs for Readzillas for their 7000 series. I would think that if SLCs (which are generally more expensive) were really needed, they would be used. That's not entirely accurate. In the 741

[zfs-discuss] Can ZFS dynamically grow pool sizes? (re: Windows Home Server)

2009-08-12 Thread John Klimek
I'm a software developer with a little bit of experience in Linux but I've been wanting to build a fileserver and I've recently heard about ZFS. Right now I'm considering Windows Home Server because I really don't need every file mirrored/backed-up but I do like what I heard about ZFS. Anyways,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Procedure for Initial ZFS Replication to Remote Site by External HDD?

2009-08-12 Thread Nathan Hudson-Crim
I figured out what I did wrong. The filesystem as received on the external HDD had multiple snapshots, but I failed to check for them. So I had created a snapshot in order to send/recv on System2. That doesn't work, obviously. A new local send/recv of the filesystem's correct snapshot did the tr

Re: [zfs-discuss] file change long - was zfs fragmentation

2009-08-12 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Damjan Perenic wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Richard > Elling wrote: >> On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Ed Spencer wrote: >> >>> I suspect that if we 'rsync' one of these filesystems to a second >>> server/pool  that we would also see a performance increa

Re: [zfs-discuss] resizing zpools by growing LUN

2009-08-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:53:20AM -0700, Sascha wrote: > confirmed, it's really an EFI Label. (see below) > >format> label >[0] SMI Label >[1] EFI Label >Specify Label type[1]: 0 >Warning: This disk has an EFI label. Changing to SMI label will erase all >current partitions

[zfs-discuss] Procedure for Initial ZFS Replication to Remote Site by External HDD?

2009-08-12 Thread Nathan Hudson-Crim
What is the best way to use an external HDD for initial replication of a large ZFS filesystem? System1 had filesystem; System2 needs to have a copy of filesystem. Used send/recv on System1 to put filesys...@snap1 on connected external HDD. Exported external HDD pool and connected/imported on Syst

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs fragmentation

2009-08-12 Thread Damjan Perenic
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Ed Spencer wrote: > >> I suspect that if we 'rsync' one of these filesystems to a second >> server/pool  that we would also see a performance increase equal to what >> we see on the development server. (I don't k

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import -f rpool hangs

2009-08-12 Thread HUGE | David Stahl
Make sure you reboot after adding that to /etc/system for making a safe clone I know there must be other ways to do it, but you could make a new zpool and do a zfs send/receive from old zvols to new ones. zfs snapshot -r yourz...@snapshot zfs send -R yourz...@snapshot | zfs recv -vFd yournewzvol

[zfs-discuss] snapshots and open files

2009-08-12 Thread Jon LaBadie
On the Amanda backup mailing list, one poster said he was having a problem using zfs snapshots as the source file-system for backups. Gnutar is the actual archiving program in this case. They said that files which were open on the active file system were still listed as open in the snapshot. Thi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Live resize/grow of iscsi shared ZVOL

2009-08-12 Thread Scott Meilicke
My EqualLogic arrays do not disconnect when resizing volumes. When I need to resize, on the Windows side I open the iSCSI control panel, and get ready to click the 'logon' button. I then resize the volume on the OpenSolaris box, and immediately after that is complete, on the Windows side, re-lo

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import -f rpool hangs

2009-08-12 Thread Vladimir Novakovic
Hi David, thank for a tip. but I could't use just "zpool import rpool" because it always said that pool is already used by other system, than I could only try with a force switch "-f". Under Solaris 10 that I'm using now to recover this rpool I have rpool named as mypool01 it should not collide w

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS load balancing / was: ZFS, ESX , and NFS. oh my!

2009-08-12 Thread Scott Meilicke
Yes! That would be icing on the cake. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] Copy a ZFS volume to external storage?

2009-08-12 Thread Stephen Green
I've been using a ZFS volume exported via iscsi as a Time Machine drive for my Mac Book. After a reboot last night (after installing an SSD as ZIL for a pool), the Mac can't see the volume. I think some combination of the iscsi target shutdown and the Mac's backup behavior has left the volume

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs fragmentation

2009-08-12 Thread Ed Spencer
I don't know of any reason why we can't turn 1 backup job per filesystem into say, up to say , 26 based on the cyrus file and directory structure. The cyrus file and directory structure is designed with users located under the directories A,B,C,D,etc to deal with the millions of little files issue

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool iscsi /zfs performance in opensolaris 0906

2009-08-12 Thread Stephen Green
Stephen Green wrote: I'll let you know how it works out. Suggestions as to pre/post installation IO tests welcome. The installation went off without a hitch (modulo a bad few seconds after reboot.) Story here: http://blogs.sun.com/searchguy/entry/homebrew_hybrid_storage_pool I've got one

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import -f rpool hangs

2009-08-12 Thread HUGE | David Stahl
I wonder if one prob is that you already have an rpool when you are booted of the CD. could you do zpool import rpool rpool2 to rename? also if system keeps rebooting on crash you could add these to your /etc/system (but not if you are booting from disk) set zfs:zfs_recover=1 set aok=1 th

Re: [zfs-discuss] raidz

2009-08-12 Thread glidic anthony
Yes i think to make an nfs server opensolaris it's good in particular for zfs raidz. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] zpool import -f rpool hangs

2009-08-12 Thread Vladimir Novakovic
I had the rpool with two sata disks in the miror. Solaris 10 5.10 Generic_141415-08 i86pc i386 i86pc Unfortunately the first disk with grub loader has failed with unrecoverable block write/read errors. Now I have the problem to import rpool after the first disk has failed. So I decided to do: "z

Re: [zfs-discuss] resizing zpools by growing LUN

2009-08-12 Thread Sascha
Darren, I want to give you a short overview of what I tried: 1. created a zpool on a LUN resized the LUN on the EVA exported the zpool used format -e and label tried to enlarge slice 0 -> impossible (see posting above) 2. Same like 1. but exported the zpool before resizing on the EVA Same resul

Re: [zfs-discuss] resizing zpools by growing LUN

2009-08-12 Thread Sascha
Hi Darren, thanks for your quick answer. > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:35:53AM -0700, Sascha > wrote: > > Then creating a zpool: > > zpool create -m /zones/huhctmp huhctmppool > c6t6001438002A5435A0001005Ad0 > > > > zpool list > > NAME SIZE USED AVAILCAP HEALTH > ALTROOT

Re: [zfs-discuss] raidz

2009-08-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
C. Bergström wrote: glidic anthony wrote: thanks but if it's experimental i prefer don't use. My server was use to an nfs share for an esxi so i prefer it was stable. But i thnik the best way it's to add an other hdd to make the install and make my raidz with this 3 disks Do you really cons

Re: [zfs-discuss] surprisingly poor performance

2009-08-12 Thread Roch
roland writes: > >SSDs with capacitor-backed write caches > >seem to be fastest. > > how to distinguish them from ssd`s without one? > i never saw this explicitly mentioned in the specs. They probably don't have one then (or they should fire their entire marketing dept). Capacitors allows