Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Drew Balfour
Uwe Dippel wrote: If it was (successful), that would have been something. It wasn't. It was; zfs successfully repaired the data, as is evidenced by the lack of errors in the status output: errors: No known data errors 'status' brought up the 'unrecoverable error', whatever number of 'scru

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Uwe, Friday, April 17, 2009, 12:39:13 AM, you wrote: UD> Drew Balfour wrote: >> >> Does anyone know why it's "applications" and not "data"? >> >> Perhaps something like: >> >> status: One or more devices has experienced an error. A successful >> attempt to >> correct the error was

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Blake, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 5:18:19 PM, you wrote: B> You only need to decide what you want here. Yes, ext3 requires less B> maintenance, because it can't tell you if a block becomes corrupt B> (though fsck-in when that *does* happen can require hours, compared to B> zfs replacing w

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Richard, Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:41:53 PM, you wrote: RE> Tim wrote: >> I can't say I've ever had to translate binary to recover an email from >> the trash bin with Gmail... which is for "common users". Unless of >> course you're suggesting "common users" will never want to recover a

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs as a cache server

2009-04-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jean-Noël, Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:39:50 PM, you wrote: JNM> Hi François, JNM> You should take care of the recordsize in your filesystems. This should JNM> be tuned according to the size of the most accessed files. I don't think this is necessary and it will rather do more harm than go

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Uwe, Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:38:00 AM, you wrote: UD> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: UD> [...] UD> Thanks, Fajar, et al. UD> What this thread actually shows, alas, is that ZFS is rocket science. UD> In 2009, one would expect a file system to 'just work'. W

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Uwe Dippel wrote: It seems most in here don't run production servers. A term like 'unrecoverable' sends me into a state of frenzy. It sounds like my systems are dying any minute. From what I read, it is harmless. Some redundant While your system is still running and user

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can zfs snapshot nfs mounts

2009-04-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Harry, Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:05:47 PM, you wrote: HP> So if I wanted to find a specific change in a file... that would be HP> somewhere in the zfs snapthosts... say to retrieve a certain HP> formulation in some kind of `rc' file that worked better than a later HP> formulation. How wou

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Uwe Dippel
Drew Balfour wrote: Does anyone know why it's "applications" and not "data"? Perhaps something like: status: One or more devices has experienced an error. A successful attempt to correct the error was made using a replicated copy of the data. Data on the pool is unaffected.

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Toby Thain
On 16-Apr-09, at 5:27 PM, Florian Ermisch wrote: Uwe Dippel schrieb: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Since it was not reported that user data was impacted, it seems likely that there was a read failure (or bad checksum) for ZFS metadata which is redundantly stored. (Maybe I am too much of a lingu

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Drew Balfour
Now I wonder where that error came from. It was just a single checksum error. It couldn't go away with an earlier scrub, and seemingly left no traces of badness on the drive. Something serious? At least it looks a tad contradictory: "Applications are unaffected.", it is unrecoverable, and once

Re: [zfs-discuss] MySQL On ZFS Performance(fsync) Problem?

2009-04-16 Thread Richard Elling
简朝阳 wrote: > Hi,all > > I did some test about MySQL's Insert performance on ZFS, and met a big > performance problem,*i'm not sure what's the point*. > > Environment > 2 Intel X5560 (8 core), 12GB RAM, 7 slc SSD(Intel). > > A Java client run 8 threads concurrency insert into one Innodb table: > > *

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Florian Ermisch
Uwe Dippel schrieb: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Since it was not reported that user data was impacted, it seems likely that there was a read failure (or bad checksum) for ZFS metadata which is redundantly stored. (Maybe I am too much of a linguist to not stumble over the wording here.) If it is

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Richard Elling
Tim wrote: I can't say I've ever had to translate binary to recover an email from the trash bin with Gmail... which is for "common users". Unless of course you're suggesting "common users" will never want to recover a file after zfs alerts them it's corrupted. He's got a very valid point, an

Re: [zfs-discuss] What can I do to shorten the long awkward names of snapshots?

2009-04-16 Thread Blake
The cool thing about the way Tim has built the service is that you can edit the variable values in the method script to make snapshot titles pretty much whatever you want. I think he made a good compromise choice between simplicity and clarity in the current titling system. Remember that the Time

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Tim
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Bob Friesenhahn < bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us> wrote: > On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Uwe Dippel wrote: > >> >> What this thread actually shows, alas, is that ZFS is rocket science. >> In 2009, one would expect a file system to 'just work'. Why would >> anyone want to hav

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Uwe Dippel wrote: What this thread actually shows, alas, is that ZFS is rocket science. In 2009, one would expect a file system to 'just work'. Why would anyone want to have to 'status' it regularly, in case 'scrub' it, and For common uses, ZFS is not any more complicated

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-04-16 Thread Richard Elling
Frank Middleton wrote: Experimenting with OpenSolaris on an elderly PC with equally elderly drives, zpool status shows errors after a pkg image-update followed by a scrub. It is entirely possible that one of these drives is flaky, but surely the whole point of a zfs mirror is to avoid this? It se

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Casper . Dik
>If you do not have any problems ZFS will just work. If you have >problems ZFS will =B6how them to you much better than EXT3, FFS, UFS or >other traditional filesystem. And often fix them for you. In many >cases you would get corrupted data or have to run fsck for the same >error on FFS/UFS. As m

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Mattias Pantzare
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:38, Uwe Dippel wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: > > [...] > > Thanks, Fajar, et al. > > What this thread actually shows, alas, is that ZFS is rocket science. > In 2009, one would expect a file system to 'just work'. Why would > anyone wa

Re: [zfs-discuss] How recoverable is an 'unrecoverable error'?

2009-04-16 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: [...] Thanks, Fajar, et al. What this thread actually shows, alas, is that ZFS is rocket science. In 2009, one would expect a file system to 'just work'. Why would anyone want to have to 'status' it regularly, in case 'scrub' it, and if s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-04-16 Thread Casper . Dik
>Quite. Sounds like an architectural problem. This old machine probably >doesn't have ecc memory (AFAIK still rare on most PCs), but it is on >a serial UPS and isolated from shocks, and this has happened more >than once. These drives on this machine recently passed both the purge >and verify cycl