Re: [zfs-discuss] Major problem with a new ZFS setup

2007-11-08 Thread Michael Stalnaker
We weren't able to do anything at all, and finally rebooted the system. When we did, everything came back normally, even with the target that was reporting errors before. We're using an LSI PCI-E controller that's on the supported device list, and LSI 3801-E. Right now, I'm trying to figure out if

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread Richard Elling
can you guess? wrote: > CERN was using relatively cheap disks and found that they were more > than adequate (at least for any normal consumer use) without that > additional level of protection: the incidence of errors, even > including the firmware errors which presumably would not have occurred

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread can you guess?
> > Au contraire: I estimate its worth quite > accurately from the undetected error rates reported > in the CERN "Data Integrity" paper published last > April (first hit if you Google 'cern "data > integrity"'). > > > > > While I have yet to see any checksum error > reported > > > by ZFS on > > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Major problem with a new ZFS setup

2007-11-08 Thread Ian Collins
Michael Stalnaker wrote: > > Finally trying to do a zpool status yields: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# zpool status -v > pool: LogData > state: ONLINE > status: One or more devices has experienced an unrecoverable error. An > attempt was made to correct the error. Applications are unaffecte

Re: [zfs-discuss] Error: "Volume size exceeds limit for this system"

2007-11-08 Thread Anton B. Rang
The comment in the header file where this error is defined says: /* volume is too large for 32-bit system */ So it does look like it's a 32-bit CPU issue. Odd, since file systems don't normally have any sort of dependence on the CPU type Anton This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread can you guess?
> On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 01:47:04PM -0800, can you > guess? wrote: > > I do consider the RAID-Z design to be somewhat > brain-damaged [...] > > How so? In my opinion, it seems like a cure for the > brain damage of RAID-5. Nope. A decent RAID-5 hardware implementation has no 'write hole' to worr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread can you guess?
> On 11/7/07, can you guess? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Monday, November 5, 2007, 4:42:14 AM, you wrote: > > > > > > cyg> Having gotten a bit tired of the level of > ZFS > > > hype floating ... > But I do believe that some of the "hype" is justified Just to make it clear, so do I: it's

Re: [zfs-discuss] mdb ::memstat including zfs buffer details?

2007-11-08 Thread Jim Mauro
I'm not aware of any plans to do this. If you're on S10U4 or NV, can use kstat to fetch arcstats on ZFS memory usage: kstat -n arcstats. Prior to the addition of arcstats, you needed to use mdb to determine how much memory ZFS was using... > Which just (as far as I can tell) includes the zfs b

[zfs-discuss] Major problem with a new ZFS setup

2007-11-08 Thread Michael Stalnaker
We recently installed a 24 disk SATA array with an LSI controller attached to a box running Solaris X86 10 Release 4. The drives were set up in one big pool with raidz, and it worked great for about a month. On the 4th, we had the system kernel panic and crash, and it's now behaving very badly. He

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + DB + default blocksize

2007-11-08 Thread eric kustarz
> > Also... doesn't ZFS do some form of read ahead .. 64KB anyways? > I believe you are referring to the vdev cache here. Check out: http://blogs.sun.com/erickustarz/entry/vdev_cache_improvements_to_help eric ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@o

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + DB + default blocksize

2007-11-08 Thread Richard Elling
Louwtjie Burger wrote: > On 11/8/07, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Louwtjie Burger wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> What is the impact of not aligning the DB blocksize (16K) with ZFS, >>> especially when it comes to random reads on single HW RAID LUN. >>> >>> >> Potentially,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + DB + default blocksize

2007-11-08 Thread Louwtjie Burger
On 11/8/07, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Louwtjie Burger wrote: > > Hi > > > > What is the impact of not aligning the DB blocksize (16K) with ZFS, > > especially when it comes to random reads on single HW RAID LUN. > > > > Potentially, depending on the write part of the workload, the

[zfs-discuss] mdb ::memstat including zfs buffer details?

2007-11-08 Thread Nathan Kroenert
Hey all - Just a quick one... Is there any plan to update the mdb ::memstat dcmd to present ZFS buffers as part of the summary? At present, we get something like: > ::memstat Page SummaryPagesMB %Tot Ker

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + DB + default blocksize

2007-11-08 Thread Zoltan Farkas
Is compression impacted when setting block size? --zoly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Elling Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:56 PM To: Louwtjie Burger Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + DB + defa

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + DB + default blocksize

2007-11-08 Thread Richard Elling
Louwtjie Burger wrote: > Hi > > What is the impact of not aligning the DB blocksize (16K) with ZFS, > especially when it comes to random reads on single HW RAID LUN. > Potentially, depending on the write part of the workload, the system may read 128 kBytes to get a 16 kByte block. This is not

Re: [zfs-discuss] Slow file system access on zfs

2007-11-08 Thread Walter Faleiro
Hi Lukas, The system that we use for zfs is Solaris 10 on Sparc Update 3. I assume all the scripts you gave have to be run on the nfs/zfs server and not any client. Thanks, --Walter On Nov 8, 2007 2:34 AM, Łukasz K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dnia 8-11-2007 o godz. 7:58 Walter Faleiro napisał

Re: [zfs-discuss] 3rd posting: ZFS question (case 65730249)

2007-11-08 Thread michael schuster
Dave Bevans wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > > Hi, > > I have a customer with the following questions... > > > > *Describe the problem:* > A ZFS Question - I have one ZFS pool which is made from 2 storage > arrays (vdevs). I have to delete the zfs filesystems with the name

Re: [zfs-discuss] Suggestion/Request: ZFS-aware rm command

2007-11-08 Thread Paul Jochum
Hi All: Actually, I am running into the same case (need to remove certain files from a snapshot), let me give you a good example of why we need to do it. In our case, we use zfs snapshots to store online backups of home file systems (that is, readily accessable to employees if they need to reco

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4500 device disconnect problem persists

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Eriksson
We too are seeing this problem on some of our Thumpers - the ones with U4 and/or all the latest patches installed. We have one which we stopped patching before the kernel patch that introduced this problem that works fine... Works: [0] andromeda:/<2>ncri86pc/sbin# uname -a SunOS andromeda 5.10

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS very slow under xVM

2007-11-08 Thread Martin
Well, I've tried the latest OpenSolaris snv_76 release, and it displays the same symptoms. (so b66-0624-xen, 75a and 76 all have the same problem) But, the good news is that is behaves well if there is only 2Gb of memory in the system. So, in summary The command time dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello can, >> >> Journaling vs ZFS - well, I've been managing some >> rather large >> environment and having fsck (even with journaling) >> from time to time cyg> 'From time to time' suggests at least several occurrences: just cyg> how many were there? What led you to think that doing an fsck

[zfs-discuss] 3rd posting: ZFS question (case 65730249)

2007-11-08 Thread Dave Bevans
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Hi, I have a customer with the following questions... *Describe the problem:* A ZFS Question - I have one ZFS pool which is made from 2 storage arrays (vdevs). I have to delete the zfs filesystems with the names of /orbits/araid/* and remove one of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Suggestion/Request: ZFS-aware rm command

2007-11-08 Thread Adrian Immler
is it possible to delete files in the snapshot? (.zfs directory?) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Slow file system access on zfs

2007-11-08 Thread Łukasz K
Dnia 8-11-2007 o godz. 7:58 Walter Faleiro napisał(a): Hi Lukasz, The output of the first sript gives bash-3.00# ./test.sh dtrace: script './test.sh' matched 4 probes CPU ID    FUNCTION:NAME   0  42681    :tick-10s   0  42681    :tic

Re: [zfs-discuss] Slow file system access on zfs

2007-11-08 Thread Adrian Immler
how is the performance on the zfs directly without nfs? i have experienced big problems running nfs on large volumes (independent on the underlaying fs) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4500 device disconnect problem persists

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Poltawski
That is interesting, again we're having the same problem with our X4500s. I am trying to work out what is causing the problem with NFS, restarting the service causes it to try and stop and not bring it back up. Rebooting the whole box fails and it just hangs till a hard reset.. This message

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread James Blackburn
> Au contraire: I estimate its worth quite accurately from the undetected > error rates reported in the CERN "Data Integrity" paper published last April > (first hit if you Google 'cern "data integrity"'). > > > While I have yet to see any checksum error reported > > by ZFS on > > Symmetrix arra

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread Louwtjie Burger
On 11/8/07, Mark Ashley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Economics for one. Yep, for sure ... it was a rhetoric question ;) > > Why would I consider a new solution that is safe, fast enough, stable > > .. easier to manage and lots cheaper? Rephrase, "Why would I NOT consider ...?" :) ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread Mark Ashley
Economics for one. We run a number of testing environments which mimic the production one. But we don't want to spend $750,000 on EMC storage each time when something costing $200,000 will do the job we need. At the moment we have over 100TB on four SE6140s and we're very happy with the soluti

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-08 Thread Adam Leventhal
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 01:47:04PM -0800, can you guess? wrote: > I do consider the RAID-Z design to be somewhat brain-damaged [...] How so? In my opinion, it seems like a cure for the brain damage of RAID-5. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, FishWorkshttp://blogs.sun.com/ahl