Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, XFS, and EXT4 compared

2007-08-29 Thread mike
On 8/29/07, Jeffrey W. Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a lot of people whispering "zfs" in my virtual ear these days, > and at the same time I have an irrational attachment to xfs based > entirely on its lack of the 32000 subdirectory limit. I'm not afraid of > ext4's newness, since real

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, XFS, and EXT4 compared

2007-08-29 Thread Cyril Plisko
Jeffrey, it would be interesting to see your zpool layout info as well. It can significantly influence the results obtained in the benchmarks. On 8/30/07, Jeffrey W. Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a lot of people whispering "zfs" in my virtual ear these days, > and at the same time I

[zfs-discuss] ZFS, XFS, and EXT4 compared

2007-08-29 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
I have a lot of people whispering "zfs" in my virtual ear these days, and at the same time I have an irrational attachment to xfs based entirely on its lack of the 32000 subdirectory limit. I'm not afraid of ext4's newness, since really a lot of that stuff has been in Lustre for years. So a-bench

Re: [zfs-discuss] New zfs pr0n server :)))

2007-08-29 Thread michael
do either of you know the current story about this card? i can't get it to work at all in solaris 10, but i'm very new to the OS. thanks! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best way to incorporate disk size tolerance into

2007-08-29 Thread Richard Elling
MC wrote: >> This is a problem for replacement, not creation. > > You're talking about solving the problem in the future? I'm talking about > working around the problem today. :) This isn't a fluffy dream problem. I > ran into this last month when an RMA'd drive wouldn't fit back into a RAID

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best way to incorporate disk size tolerance into

2007-08-29 Thread MC
> This is a problem for replacement, not creation. You're talking about solving the problem in the future? I'm talking about working around the problem today. :) This isn't a fluffy dream problem. I ran into this last month when an RMA'd drive wouldn't fit back into a RAID5 array. RAIDZ is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there _any_ suitable motherboard?

2007-08-29 Thread MP
Has anyone considered the Gigabyte GA-G33-DS3R which has a G33 chipset (P35 with builtin video). It has that builtin VGA and the most on board, well supported, SATA ports I could find: 8xSATA; 6xSATA provided by the ICH9 and 2xSATA on JMB363. The latter must be supported by OpenSolaris? It's bee

[zfs-discuss] Correct procedure to remove a ZFS file system from a non-global zone

2007-08-29 Thread Ril
I followed the procedure to add a ZFS dataset to a non-global, whole-root zone as a delegated dataset as described in the ZFS Admin Guide, page 129. What is the proper way to remove it? I tried the following: >From the global zone: 1) halt the zone 2) use zonecfg to remove the dataset 3) boot t

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool ids

2007-08-29 Thread Eric Schrock
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 11:40:34PM +0530, Balu manyam wrote: > Thanks ,Eric - I am looking for a way to import a zpool which is a bit by > bit copy of the zpool(hence also the meta data) which is already imported on > the same host ..that is two pools one imported and one not are presented to > the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool ids

2007-08-29 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 09:41 -0700, Eric Schrock wrote: > Note that 'fstyp -v' does the same thing as 'zdb -l', and > is marginally more stable. The output it still technically subject to > change, but it's highly unlikely (given the pain such a change would > cause). If other programs depend on a

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool ids

2007-08-29 Thread Eric Schrock
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 10:29:50PM +0530, Balu manyam wrote: > Thanks!,Eric and Darren -- 'zdb -l ' was indeed what I was > looking for .. > > Also, Is there an easy way to change this ID manually - This would be > extremely useful in a SAN environment. No, there is no way to change it. - Eric

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool ids

2007-08-29 Thread Eric Schrock
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 05:39:19PM +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote: > Eric Schrock wrote: > > You can use 'zdb -l ' where 'dev' is a device in the pool, and then > > look for the 'pool_guid' line (note that this is "not an interface" and > > could theoretically change). An upcoming putback will add t

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool ids

2007-08-29 Thread Darren J Moffat
Eric Schrock wrote: > You can use 'zdb -l ' where 'dev' is a device in the pool, and then > look for the 'pool_guid' line (note that this is "not an interface" and > could theoretically change). An upcoming putback will add the guid as a > first-class pool property, so that it can be used in 'zpoo

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool ids

2007-08-29 Thread Eric Schrock
You can use 'zdb -l ' where 'dev' is a device in the pool, and then look for the 'pool_guid' line (note that this is "not an interface" and could theoretically change). An upcoming putback will add the guid as a first-class pool property, so that it can be used in 'zpool list' or 'zpool get'. - E

Re: [zfs-discuss] import zfs dataset online in a zone

2007-08-29 Thread Darren Dunham
> i have a similar problem - i am trying to add a zfs volume to a non-global > zone without rebooting it. it is not practical to shutdown the application > just to add one more raw device. > is there a way to manually create the device files in /dev/zvol/... in the > zone and make it aware of th

[zfs-discuss] zpool ids

2007-08-29 Thread Manyam
Hi folks -- What's the best way to get the id associated with a zpool name(without importing it if it is already not done so) -- that is - given the disk device name - I would to love get the ID of the zpool of which this disk is a part of. Thanks! --Balu This message posted from openso

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best way to incorporate disk size tolerance into

2007-08-29 Thread Richard Elling
MC wrote: > Thanks for the comprehensive replies! > > I'll need some baby speak on this one though: > >> The recommended use of whole disks is for drives with volatile write >> caches where ZFS will enable the cache if it owns the whole disk. There >> may be an RFE lurking here, but it might b

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS needs a viable backup mechanism

2007-08-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
sean walmsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We mostly rely on AMANDA, but for a simple, compressed, encrypted, > tape-spanning alternative backup (intended for disaster recovery) we use: > > tar cf - | lzf (quick compression utility) | ssl (to encrypt) | > mbuffer (which writes to tape and looks

Re: [zfs-discuss] Single SAN Lun presented to 4 Hosts

2007-08-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >AFAIK, a read-only UFS mount will unroll the log and thus write to th= > >e medium. > > > It does not (that's what code inspection suggests). > > It will update the in-memory image with the log entries but the > log will not be rolled. Why then does fsck mount the fs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Single SAN Lun presented to 4 Hosts

2007-08-29 Thread Casper . Dik
>AFAIK, a read-only UFS mount will unroll the log and thus write to th= >e medium. It does not (that's what code inspection suggests). It will update the in-memory image with the log entries but the log will not be rolled. Casper ___ zfs-discuss mai

Re: [zfs-discuss] Single SAN Lun presented to 4 Hosts

2007-08-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> It's worse than this. Consider the read-only clients. When you > >> access a filesystem object (file, directory, etc.), UFS will write > >> metadata to update atime. I believe that there is a noatime option to > >> mount, but I am unsure as to whether this is suf

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Bad Blocks Handling

2007-08-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Pawel Jakub Dawidek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 10:00:10PM -0700, RL wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Does ZFS flag blocks as bad so it knows to avoid using them in the future? > > No it doesn't. This would be a really nice feature to have, but > currently when ZFS tries to write t

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raidz1+hopspare on X4500 ,can I ?

2007-08-29 Thread zhanjinwei
I have read you papers for several times ,they are so helpful! the difference between raidz2 and [raidz1 + 1 hot spare] is : If there are 2 disk in a pool fail at the same time ,it's a disaster for the later configuration ,and the raidz2 pool is so stable to avoid it. But,if the 2 disk fail at d

Re: [zfs-discuss] import zfs dataset online in a zone

2007-08-29 Thread Stoyan Angelov
hello all, i have a similar problem - i am trying to add a zfs volume to a non-global zone without rebooting it. it is not practical to shutdown the application just to add one more raw device. is there a way to manually create the device files in /dev/zvol/... in the zone and make it aware of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS quota

2007-08-29 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Brad, Monday, August 27, 2007, 3:47:47 PM, you wrote: >> OK, you asked for "creative" workarounds... here's one (though it requires >> that the filesystem be briefly unmounted, which may be deal-killing): BP> That is, indeed, creative. :) And yes, the unmount make it BP> impractical i