On 21-Jan-07, at 12:12 AM, Rich Teer wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Richard Elling wrote:
To be clear, Sun defines "hot swap" as a device which can be
inserted or
removed without system administration tasks required.
Sun defines "hot plug" as a device which can be inserted or
removed withou
On 20-Jan-07, at 8:48 PM, Erik Trimble wrote:
Frank Cusack wrote:
On January 20, 2007 1:07:27 PM -0800 "David J. Orman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On that note, I've recently read it might be the case that the 1u
sun
servers do not have hot-swappable disk drives... is this really
true?
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Richard Elling wrote:
> To be clear, Sun defines "hot swap" as a device which can be inserted or
> removed without system administration tasks required.
>
> Sun defines "hot plug" as a device which can be inserted or removed without
> causing damage or interruption to a runni
Frank Cusack wrote:
On January 19, 2007 5:59:13 PM -0800 "David J. Orman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
card that supports SAS would be *ideal*,
Except that SAS support on Solaris is not very good.
One major problem is they treat it like scsi when instead they should
treat it like FC (or native
Frank Cusack wrote:
On January 20, 2007 1:07:27 PM -0800 "David J. Orman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On that note, I've recently read it might be the case that the 1u sun
servers do not have hot-swappable disk drives... is this really true?
Yes.
Only for the x2100 (and x2100m2). It's not th
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Erik Trimble wrote:
> The Sun 3120 does 4 x 3.5" SCSI drives in a 1U, and the Sun 3320 does 12 x
> 3.5" in 2U. Both come in JBOD configs (and the 3320 has HW Raid if you want
> it).
Yep; I know about those products. But the entry level 3120 (with
2 x 73GB disks) has a list p
Frank Cusack wrote:
On January 20, 2007 1:07:27 PM -0800 "David J. Orman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On that note, I've recently read it might be the case that the 1u sun
servers do not have hot-swappable disk drives... is this really true?
Only for the x2100 (and x2100m2). It's not that the
Rich Teer wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Frank Cusack wrote:
But x4100/x4200 only accept expensive 2.5" SAS drives, which have
small capacities. [...]
... and only 2 or 4 drives each. Hence my blog entry a while back,
wishing for a Sun-badged 1U SAS JBOD with room for 8 drives. I'm
am
Frank Cusack wrote:
On January 19, 2007 6:47:30 PM -0800 Erik Trimble
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not to be picky, but the X2100 and X2200 series are NOT
designed/targeted for disk serving (they don't even have redundant power
supplies). They're compute-boxes. The X4100/X4200 are what you are
l
On January 20, 2007 1:07:27 PM -0800 "David J. Orman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On that note, I've recently read it might be the case that the 1u sun
servers do not have hot-swappable disk drives... is this really true?
Only for the x2100 (and x2100m2). It's not that the hardware isn't
hot-sw
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> I was talking about the huge gap in storage solutions from Sun for the
> middle-ground. While $24,000 is a wonderful deal, it's absolute overkill for
> what I'm thinking about doing. I was looking for more around 6-8 drives.
How about a Sun V40z? It's available with up
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Frank Cusack wrote:
>
> > But x4100/x4200 only accept expensive 2.5" SAS
> drives, which have
> > small capacities. [...]
>
> ... and only 2 or 4 drives each. Hence my blog entry
> a while back,
> wishing for a Sun-badged 1U SAS JBOD with room for 8
> drives. I'm
> amaze
> Hi David,
>
> I don't know if your company qualifies as a startup
> under Sun's regs
> but you can get an X4500/Thumper for $24,000 under
> this program:
> http://www.sun.com/emrkt/startupessentials/
>
> Best Regards,
> Jason
I'm already a part of the Startup Essentials program. Perhaps I shou
Hi Shannon,
The markup is still pretty high on a per-drive basis. That being said,
$1-2/GB is darn low for the capacity in a server. Plus, you're also
paying for having enough HyperTransport I/O to feed the PCI-E I/O.
Does anyone know what problems they had with the 250GB version of the
Thumper
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Frank Cusack wrote:
> But x4100/x4200 only accept expensive 2.5" SAS drives, which have
> small capacities. [...]
... and only 2 or 4 drives each. Hence my blog entry a while back,
wishing for a Sun-badged 1U SAS JBOD with room for 8 drives. I'm
amazed that Sun hasn't got
Shannon Roddy wrote:
For sun to charge 4-8 times street price for hard drives that
they order just the same as I do from the same manufacturers that I
order from is infuriating.
Are you sure they're really the same drives? Mechanically, they
probably are, but last I knew (I don't work in the
> To me, hard drives today are as much a commodity item as network cable,
> GBICs, NICs, DVD drives, etc.
They are and they aren't. Reliability, particularly in high-heat & vibration
environments, can vary quite a bit.
> For sun to charge 4-8 times street price for hard drives that they order j
we migrate in our solaris8+vxvm+SAN environment 500tb to new storage arrays.
we have seen a lot of migration ways, falconstore etc., but the only acceptable
way is the host based mirror with vxvm. so we can migrate manuelly in a few
weeks but without downtime.
tell me how we can do this with z
Frank Cusack wrote:
>
> It is ashame (for the consumer) that it's not available without drives.
> Sun has always had an obscene markup on drives.
>
> -frank
To me, hard drives today are as much a commodity item as network cable,
GBICs, NICs, DVD drives, etc. Sun should not be marking them up at
On January 20, 2007 2:16:45 AM -0600 Shannon Roddy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Frank Cusack wrote:
thumper (x4500) seems pretty reasonable ($/GB).
-frank
I am always amazed that people consider thumper to be reasonable in
price. 450% or more markup per drive from street price in July 2006
n
Frank Cusack wrote:
>
> thumper (x4500) seems pretty reasonable ($/GB).
>
> -frank
I am always amazed that people consider thumper to be reasonable in
price. 450% or more markup per drive from street price in July 2006
numbers doesn't seem reasonable to me, even after subtracting the cost
of the
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