Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
David Perry wrote: Here are a couple of suggestions and some typos to fix: "The main feature is the extended character set; [colon not comma] Which did you intend, David ? You used a semi-colon (;) but proposed a colon (:). Philip Taylor -

Re: [XeTeX] Redefining \em and \emph

2010-09-26 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-09-25 09:33:20 +0930, Gareth Hughes said: Will Robertson wrote: It doesn't seem to. In that case I'd write something like \let\oldemph\emph \renewcommand\emph{% \...@rtl \expandafter\aemph \else \expandafter\oldelse \fi } I still can't figure out how to do this for \eminnershape as

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
On 09/25/2010 06:44 PM, Axel Kielhorn wrote: Hello! Some weeks ago I suggested getting information about XeTeX into lshort. Well, here is the first draft. [...] I am open for suggestions and corrections (Note that I am not a native speaker.) Hi Axel, if you allow me a suggestion I'd rather w

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Philipp Stephani
Am 26.09.2010 um 06:13 schrieb David Perry: > "Some editors, _mainly on Linux,_ support digraphs, two letters that are > combined into one [not on] character." The compose function is hardly ever > used on OS X or Windows; He doesn't refer to the Compose key, but to editor support, which is

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> Exuse us but I think this is too short and does not help anyone. "us"??? Arthur -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Axel Kielhorn
I went a step backwards and created a short XeLaTeX document that contains everything I think is important for a XeLaTeX beginner. It includes: - fontspec -- Ligatures=TeX -- Ligatures=Rare -- Numbers=Lining -- Numbers=OldStyle -- Script=Cyrillic -- Language=Polish - polyglossia -- setdefaultlan

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Axel Kielhorn
Thank you very much for the corrections an comments. I have added some descriptions about using different languages. Here is the second draft. (Note: you have to add hologo to the preamble (in lshort.sty) and add greek to the language options in babel.) I have created a small demonstration file

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Axel Kielhorn
Am 26.09.2010 um 13:04 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez: > On 09/25/2010 06:44 PM, Axel Kielhorn wrote: >> Hello! >> >> Some weeks ago I suggested getting information about XeTeX into lshort. >> >> Well, here is the first draft. >> [...] >> I am open for suggestions and corrections (Note that I am not a

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Axel Kielhorn
Am 26.09.2010 um 02:43 schrieb Vafa Khalighi: > Exuse us but I think this is too short and does not help anyone. The mailinglist stripped your attachment about the use of RTL languages. Since I'm a LGC[1] guy, I won't be able to write anything about RTL or CJK, except for the fact that it is p

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Axel Kielhorn
Am 26.09.2010 um 01:17 schrieb Peter Dyballa: > Instead of the not included DejaVu font family you might like to mention GNU > Free fonts or Linux Libertine/Biolinum O, which are included in TeX Live. You have a point here, I'll switch to Linux Libertine. > Some operating systems or applicatio

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Axel Kielhorn
Am 26.09.2010 um 06:13 schrieb David Perry: > lshort is meant to be, well, short. Having even this much will give those > unacquainted with xe(la)tex some idea of what it's all about, and the > reference to the wiki will (I hope) be a good source of additional > information. This is meant

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread David Perry
On 9/26/2010 9:56 AM, Axel Kielhorn wrote: Is the compose feature you mention the same as dead keys? No. I have read that on some Linux systems one can type a vowel, press a "compose" key, and then an accent mark, the result is the vowel with accent. I myself don't use Linux, so I'm sure t

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> No. I have read that on some Linux systems one can type a vowel, press > a "compose" key, and then an accent mark, the result is the vowel with > accent. The actual order is Compose, accent, vowel (or consonant, for that matter). The "accent" here is usually an approximative ASCII equiva

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Philipp Stephani
Am 26.09.2010 um 15:56 schrieb Axel Kielhorn: > Is the compose feature you mention the same as dead keys? No. Compose is a key available only from the X Window System. After hitting Compose (it is not a modifier key), you can enter a known key sequence to get a non-ASCII character; e.g., - - -

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Philipp Stephani
Am 26.09.2010 um 15:56 schrieb Axel Kielhorn: >> Some operating systems or application offer "input systems" or "input >> methods" which allow to enter non-standard characters. >> >> XeTeX also supports UTF-16 encodings. \XeTeXdefaultencoding{CharsetName} and >> \XeTeXinputencoding{CharsetName}

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Philipp Stephani
Am 26.09.2010 um 16:44 schrieb David Perry: >> On a Mac I can type \texttt{option-u u} to get an ü > Mac OS has the best systemwide support for non-English characters, and has > for a long time. Windows provides only a very awkward ALT key method that > requires typing decimal or hex numbers.

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 26.09.2010 um 15:56 schrieb Axel Kielhorn: I have to disagree, Vim and emacs (or should that be Emacs?) are available on Windows as well. (Maybe not used that often.) It's actually GNU Emacs and XEmacs. There are also specialised variants, based on GNU Emacs, like NTEmacs, Carbon Emacs,

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 26.09.2010 um 15:56 schrieb Axel Kielhorn: GNU Emacs offers input methods. One of them, always available, is C- q , and the number can be octal, decimal, or hexadecimal. You just have to memorize the Unicodecode:-) You never were tortured by MS-DOS etc. with its Alt- to draw a frame

Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia, bidi and hyperref

2010-09-26 Thread Gildas Hamel
* Vafa Khalighi (vafakh...@gmail.com) wrote: |> ./test_qeiyafa.tex:22: Package bidi Error: Oops! you have loaded |> package hyperr |> ef after bidi package. Please load package hyperref before bidi |> package, and th |> en try to run xelatex on your document

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Michiel Kamermans
This touches on a recent thread on a primer for XeLaTeX, which ended in http://wiki.xelatex.org/ (which I did not forget about to everyone who might suspect I have, conferences and moving house are currently robbing me of all my spare time) - Mike "Pomax" Kamermans nihongoresources.com -

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Michiel Kamermans
On 9/26/2010 6:56 AM, Axel Kielhorn wrote: I have to disagree, Vim and emacs (or should that be Emacs?) are available on Windows as well. (Maybe not used that often.) While they're "available" for windows, windows users don't use them. Only people who transcend the OS label because they u

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Michiel Kamermans wrote: While they're "available" for windows, windows users don't use them. Only people who transcend the OS label because they use multiple operating systems and have learned to like vim or emacs enough to want to use it on all their operating systems will also use these on

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Yves Codet
Hello. Le 26 sept. 2010 à 15:56, Axel Kielhorn a écrit : A small detail about your XEsample.tex. \begin{russian} могу я Вам чем-л. помочь?% I hope this isn't a terrible curse or an insult, never trust a dictionary \end{russian} It's not; it only means "may I help you with anything?". But you m

[XeTeX] Problem changing default fonts

2010-09-26 Thread Drébon
Hello, I recently tried to convert my latex documents to xelatex... I turned to xelatex because I needed to have some utf-8 processed things in the preamble. I encountered a problem with converting the font choices I made. I used the following packages : \usepackage{marvosym} \use

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Marco
Axel Kielhorn writes: > Hello! > > Some weeks ago I suggested getting information about XeTeX into lshort. > > Well, here is the first draft. > In order to process it, you will need the lshort-4.31 source distributed with > TeXLive 2010 > (or available from a CTAN mirror of your choice). > > I w

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
On 09/26/2010 03:56 PM, Axel Kielhorn wrote: Am 26.09.2010 um 13:04 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez: if you allow me a suggestion I'd rather write “It's all Ελληνικά” instead of “It’s all γρηηκ to me”. I was actually thinking about that, but wondered if it would be too obscure. Now I have both vari

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:26:47PM +0200, Marco wrote: > Axel Kielhorn writes: > > > Hello! > > > > Some weeks ago I suggested getting information about XeTeX into lshort. > > > > Well, here is the first draft. > > In order to process it, you will need the lshort-4.31 source distributed > > with

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Mike Maxwell
On 9/26/2010 1:11 PM, Michiel Kamermans wrote: Windows users use things like textpad (although because it still refuses to move to unicode I don't know what textpad is, but the built-in Windows Notepad (and most other Microsoft apps and applets) has supported Unicode since Windows NT. --

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread David Perry
On 9/26/2010 11:35 AM, Philipp Stephani wrote: This is not related to the operating system, but to the default keyboard layout. True. Let me rephrase, and the following apply to users in the US; things are different elsewhere, I'm sure. A Mac, out of the box with nothing added by the user,

Re: [XeTeX] Problem changing default fonts

2010-09-26 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-09-27 02:14:03 +0930, Drébon said: \usepackage{pxfonts} \usepackage{txfonts} \usepackage[osf,sc]{mathpazo} You just changed the math/text font three times... \usepackage[scaled=0.85]{beramono} \usepackage[euler-digits]{eulervm} \usepackage{helvet} ...and this is the second change

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 26.09.2010 um 19:33 schrieb Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd): Many of us also use WinEDT, though its lack of support for Unicode (even in its V6 guise, which some love and others hate) makes it unsuitable as an editor for most Xe[La]TeX use. Philip, have you tried to use TPU-edt mode ins

Re: [XeTeX] Problem changing default fonts

2010-09-26 Thread Drébon
On 26/09/2010 20:40, Will Robertson wrote: On 2010-09-27 02:14:03 +0930, Drébon said: \usepackage{pxfonts} \usepackage{txfonts} \usepackage[osf,sc]{mathpazo} You just changed the math/text font three times... Oh... indeed... So I guess in I should only have that kind of preamble : \usep

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Tobias Schoel
Am 26.09.2010 20:11, schrieb Khaled Hosny: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:26:47PM +0200, Marco wrote: Axel Kielhorn writes: Hello! Some weeks ago I suggested getting information about XeTeX into lshort. Well, here is the first draft. In order to process it, you will need the lshort-4.31 sourc

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/9/26 Axel Kielhorn : > Contributions are welcome, but please note that lshort is written in latin1 > and it will be difficult to show anything outside the latin range. Then it should be converted into utf8 first. This is 2010, not 1995. :-) Maybe it would be easier to write an xlshort, whic

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/9/26 Philipp Stephani : > Am 26.09.2010 um 15:56 schrieb Axel Kielhorn: > >> Is the compose feature you mention the same as dead keys? > > No. Compose is a key available only from the X Window System. After hitting > Compose (it is not a modifier key), you can enter a known key KDE and Gnome

[XeTeX] build-problems on OpenSUSE 11.2

2010-09-26 Thread Martin Schröder
Hi, build-xetex.sh in trunk breaks on OpenSUSE 11.2 on amd64: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c -I./.. -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/texk -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk -DNO_DEBUG -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/.. -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/x

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Abstract: lshort needs a chapter/section about Unicode on its own. >From what I experience here, a lot of TeX users are so brain-washed to use \v{c} and alike that they don't even realize that it is also possible to use Unicode (or other 8-bit encodings for that matter). First: this is unrelated to

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Philipp Stephani
Am 27.09.2010 um 01:16 schrieb Mojca Miklavec: > Abstract: lshort needs a chapter/section about Unicode on its own. >> From what I experience here, a lot of TeX users are so brain-washed to > use \v{c} and alike Well: this is the official way to enter the character č, as described in lshort.pdf,