Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-17 Thread Andy Lin
Just to follow up, something really weird happens when using stylistic sets 6 and 7: "dogstarman" becomes "doaaarrman". The two PDFs demonstrate the difference between MiKTeX 2.8 and tl2010. Also see http://gabriolan.ca/gabriola-font-variants/ for reference (MiKTeX stumbles on ss06 and ss07, but no

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-17 Thread Andy Lin
I've been seeing something different altogether. In addition to activating +calt by default, it also gives some strange output when using stylistic sets in Gabriola. I've attached 2 images: tl2010gabriola shows the behaviour with tl2010 (I just installed today), miktex28gabriola shows the correct o

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 09:46:58PM +0100, Jonathan Kew wrote: > On 16 Oct 2010, at 21:17, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: > > > Hi Everyone: > > > > I've noticed that since installing MacTeX2010, some alternate glyphs are > > selected without my permission! They're lovely, to be sure, but it's really

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Roland Kuhn
On Oct 16, 2010, at 22:46 , Jonathan Kew wrote: > On 16 Oct 2010, at 21:17, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: > >> Hi Everyone: >> >> I've noticed that since installing MacTeX2010, some alternate glyphs are >> selected without my permission! They're lovely, to be sure, but it's really >> a control is

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Roland Kuhn
On Oct 17, 2010, at 00:22 , Khaled Hosny wrote: > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:10:01PM +0100, Elliott Roper wrote: >> >> On 16 Oct 2010, at 22:39, Khaled Hosny wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 05:21:52PM -0400, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: Thank you Nikos and Roland. Your sugg

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 16 Oct 2010, at 21:17, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I've noticed that since installing MacTeX2010, some alternate glyphs are > selected without my permission! They're lovely, to be sure, but it's really a > control issue for me > > Is this a new feature of fontspec? or

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:10:01PM +0100, Elliott Roper wrote: > > On 16 Oct 2010, at 22:39, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 05:21:52PM -0400, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: > >> > >> > >> Thank you Nikos and Roland. Your suggestion worked as you said. And > >> it /is/ rather odd

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:06:38AM +0200, Roland Kuhn wrote: > With two different versions of the font the exact same behavior was seen when > switching from TL2007 or TL2008 to TL2010. This definitely rules out a font > issue. Furthermore, fontspec prints the specification in the log, and there

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Elliott Roper
On 16 Oct 2010, at 22:39, Khaled Hosny wrote: > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 05:21:52PM -0400, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: >> >> >> Thank you Nikos and Roland. Your suggestion worked as you said. And >> it /is/ rather odd to have the alternates loaded by default. > > I don't have the font, so can so

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Roland Kuhn
With two different versions of the font the exact same behavior was seen when switching from TL2007 or TL2008 to TL2010. This definitely rules out a font issue. Furthermore, fontspec prints the specification in the log, and there is nothing in there which would select alternates. This rules out

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 05:21:52PM -0400, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: > > > Thank you Nikos and Roland. Your suggestion worked as you said. And > it /is/ rather odd to have the alternates loaded by default. I don't have the font, so can someone try this with luatex, if you still get the alternate

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Fr. Michael Gilmary
Thank you Nikos and Roland. Your suggestion worked as you said. And it /is/ rather odd to have the alternates loaded by default. -- United in adoration of Jesus, fr. michael gilmary, mma Most Holy Trinity Monastery 67 Dugway Road Petersham, MA 01366-9725 www.MaroniteMonks.org ---

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Roland Kuhn
I can confirm this (version 1.014 of Adobe Garamond Premier Pro), and setting Contextuals=NoAlternate does indeed correct the result. According to the .log, fontspec is doing everything right here, so the change must have happened within XeTeX. What was the rationale? I cannot think of a good re

Re: [XeTeX] new use of alternate glyphs and how to turn them off

2010-10-16 Thread Nikos Platis
If these are contextual alternates (you can try the option Contextuals=NoAlternate for fontspec), then it seems that xetex included in TL2010 uses them by default. I have noticed the same thing using the latest Microsoft fonts (Candara etc.) for Greek texts -- and it is not a matter of fontspec. I