Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 11/04/12 08:42, David Gerard wrote: On 11 April 2012 08:37, Gordon Joly wrote: But there again, David, you are one the four list maintainers. That appears to be a non sequitur with no bearing on whether anyone else is archiving the list publicly already, which they are. - d. Very very

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 11 April 2012 08:37, Gordon Joly wrote: > But there again, David, you are one the four list maintainers. That appears to be a non sequitur with no bearing on whether anyone else is archiving the list publicly already, which they are. - d. ___ Wi

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On 11/04/12 08:22, David Gerard wrote: On 11 April 2012 08:13, Fae wrote: I'm afraid that I will leave this list too if it gets officially publicly archived again. The malicious attack putting the career of a long term contributor at risk by data-mining the archives of this email list back to

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I don't understand. The posting is already public, surely? http://osdir.com/ml/general/2012-04/msg17128.html Gordo On 10/04/12 21:34, Michael Peel wrote: Well, I think that Edward has given an apt demonstration of the problems that we're facing here. I'll say that I was the one that made

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On 11 April 2012 08:13, Fae wrote: > I'm afraid that I will leave this list too if it gets officially > publicly archived again. The malicious attack putting the career of a > long term contributor at risk by data-mining the archives of this > email list back to 2008, was deeply upsetting for all

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I'm afraid that I will leave this list too if it gets officially publicly archived again. The malicious attack putting the career of a long term contributor at risk by data-mining the archives of this email list back to 2008, was deeply upsetting for all involved. The list is being openly used by s

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If this is sort of thing is going to continue now that the list is public, I'll probably leave it. Life's too short and I haven't subscribed to the list to read this sort of thing. Doug On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > Well, I think that Edward has given an apt demonstration

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

Well, I think that Edward has given an apt demonstration of the problems that we're facing here. I'll say that I was the one that made the archives for this list restricted to subscribers only. I took this course of action because the list archives were being data mined with the aim of harassin

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You've still not really learnt how to press your case, have you? On Apr 10, 2012 7:30 PM, "Edward at Logic Museum" wrote: > ** > I don't know whether is was made so as a result of my strenuous complaints > about the libellous and untrue and vicious allegations made about me by > WMUK management,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

Your claim of threats is itself defamatory. They are entirely true, and so they are not. E - Original Message - From: "David Gerard" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives On 10 April 2012 19:48, Edward at Logic Muse

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I'm afraid your happiness is a very minor concern to us Of course not. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Dalton" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives On 10 April 2012 19:45, Edward at Logic Museum wrote: So

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On 10 April 2012 19:48, Edward at Logic Museum wrote: > David Gerard: >>It does indeed appear to be security theatre at best. > You are another of those who like to repeat these lies and > accusations on various boards, and making serious threats like 'harassment'. > It may be theatre and make-be

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On 10 April 2012 19:45, Edward at Logic Museum wrote: >>> So, there is very little realistic difference to the archives being > > open or behind this "unlocked door". > > The difference is that I am happy with them being the way they are.  I would > be happier if the insulting messages were comple

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David Gerard: >>It does indeed appear to be security theatre at best. You are another of those who like to repeat these lies and accusations on various boards, and making serious threats like 'harassment'. It may be theatre and make-believe to you, for others it is very real. ed ___

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al Message - From: "Martin Peeks" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives Ed, It is public. Anyone can add their email address to the list, without any form of approval, and then read all posts freely. They can them remove themselves

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Ed, It is public. Anyone can add their email address to the list, without any form of approval, and then read all posts freely. They can them remove themselves from the list freely. Equally, the "official record" can be consulted if someone reads material on a mirror and wishes to check it, in j

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I don't know whether is was made so as a result of my strenuous complaints about the libellous and untrue and vicious allegations made about me by WMUK management, but the list being private suits me fine. (Clones are fine - they are not the 'official record'). If it goes public again, I go

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 10 April 2012 14:45, Gordon Joly wrote: > Er. > If the list archive is already cloned, there seems no point to protect it. > Do we agree? It does indeed appear to be security theatre at best. But Fae said he'd get back to us with why it was locked ... - d.

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Er. If the list archive is already cloned, there seems no point to protect it. Do we agree? Gordo On 10/04/12 01:24, Thehelpfulone wrote: On 7 April 2012 12:48, Gordon Joly > wrote: Yes, and the archives are cloned elswhere. Gordo Consensus see

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On 7 April 2012 12:48, Gordon Joly wrote: > > Yes, and the archives are cloned elswhere. > > Gordo Consensus seems to be relatively clear - can a list admin make the appropriate tweak? -- Thehelpfulone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone English Wikipedia Administrator

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On 06/04/2012 00:31, James Farrar wrote: The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially available, what is the problem? Yes, and the archives are cloned elswhere. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org htt

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On 6 April 2012 07:25, Fae wrote: > On 6 April 2012 07:14, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> Generally speaking, people acting with malicious intent are more >> willing to jump through hoops than people acting in good faith. > > {{citation needed}} > > I think that those acting with malicious intent are un

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 6 April 2012 07:14, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Generally speaking, people acting with malicious intent are more > willing to jump through hoops than people acting in good faith. {{citation needed}} I think that those acting with malicious intent are unlikely to do great research. It is more likel

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 6 April 2012 00:31, James Farrar wrote: > The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially available, > what is the problem? Generally speaking, people acting with malicious intent are more willing to jump through hoops than people acting in good faith. That means having the a

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12, 0:31 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially available, what is the problem? On Apr 5, 2012 11:20 PM, "Thomas Dalton" wrote: On 5 April 2012 23:10, Thomas Morton wrote: >> Well; someone just told me I was mistak

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The impression I have got is that this decision has stemmed from the chapter board. Seddon Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:00:33 +0100 From: james.far...@gmail.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives The chapter doesn't in any sense control this list,

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want to have to start making arguments to the > board that we make to the foundation. > > Seddon > > -- > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 00:31:04 +0100 > From: james.far...@gmail.com > To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives > &

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..@gmail.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially available, what is the problem? On Apr 5, 2012 11:20 PM, "Thomas Dalton" wrote: On 5 April 2012 23:10, Thomas Morton wrote: > Well

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially available, what is the problem? On Apr 5, 2012 11:20 PM, "Thomas Dalton" wrote: > On 5 April 2012 23:10, Thomas Morton wrote: > > Well; someone just told me I was mistaken and that wasn't the reason. > Sorry! > > Perhaps that some

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

I have raised an action to the WM-UK board to provide a formal explanation. This relates to some issues that we should handle with sensitivity. >From mid January 2012, this list was changed so that you have to be a list subscriber to read the archives, you just have to log in to access it. Some i

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On 5 April 2012 23:10, Thomas Morton wrote: > Well; someone just told me I was mistaken and that wasn't the reason. Sorry! Perhaps that someone would like to tell us what the actual reason was? All having the archives private does is make it more inconvenient. Anyone can still access them by sub

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edia.org *Sent:* Thursday, 5 April 2012, 22:48 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives Well, as no one has answered... It's related to an incident not long ago where there was a complaint over a message posted here about a named individual (not going to rehash that whole issue). The

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

t: Thursday, 5 April 2012, 22:48 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives Well, as no one has answered... It's related to an incident not long ago where there was a complaint over a message posted here about a named individual (not going to rehash that whole issue). The message was o

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mewhat dissapointed at this list no longer being publically > archived. > > Seddon > > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:32:21 +0100 > > From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk > > To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archive

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Is there any possibility of having question answered? I am somewhat dissapointed at this list no longer being publically archived. Seddon > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:32:21 +0100 > From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk > To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimed

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I think Mike can answer a few of these questions, but he's extremely busy over the weekend with conferences etc. Richard Symonds Office& Development Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0992 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company Registered in England and

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On 30 March 2012 01:33, HJ Mitchell wrote: > I thought you had to wait for approval by a list admin, but that approval > was more-or-less automatic... I just subscribed a new email address and I was able to read the archives immediately. ___ Wikimedia

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I thought you had to wait for approval by a list admin, but that approval was more-or-less automatic... Harry From: Thehelpfulone To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012, 1:04 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives On 29

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On 30 March 2012 01:04, Thehelpfulone wrote: > So just to confirm, if I sign up to this mailing list and click the > confirmation email link, I'm subscribed? There's no moderation by a list > admin or anything like that? If that's the case, then I agree that there's > no point having a private lis

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 29 March 2012 21:59, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 29 March 2012 21:43, Gordon Joly wrote: > > On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> > >> I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the > link > >> in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 29 March 2012 21:43, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> >> I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link >> in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no >> restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intention

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote: I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why? There are (public) clones of the

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On Mar 29, 2012 5:50 PM, "Chris Keating" > wrote: > > > > > >> Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;) > >> > >> Where does that email address go, anyway? > >> > > > > We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to know the answer. > > Please,

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On Mar 29, 2012 5:50 PM, "Chris Keating" wrote: > > >> Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;) >> >> Where does that email address go, anyway? >> > > We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to know the answer. Please, stop this conversation before you get us all in trouble. You remember what ha

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> Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;) > > Where does that email address go, anyway? > > We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to know the answer. ;-) Chris ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailm

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Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;) Where does that email address go, anyway? Harry From: Richard Symonds To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: ca...@wikimedia.org.uk Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:37 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives Oh

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

* Thursday, 29 March 2012, 13:41 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives On 29 March 2012 13:38, Fae <mailto:fae...@gmail.com>> wrote: > It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can > post something about this next week when I'm not traveling.

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be had on Wikipedia, lest we appear like a cabal (the Eastern European Mailing List comes to mind...). Harry  From: David Gerard To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 13:41 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives On 29 March

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On 29 March 2012 13:38, Fae wrote: > It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can > post something about this next week when I'm not traveling. That'd be good :-) It does break convention that public Wikimedia lists have public archives. - d. ___

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It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can post something about this next week when I'm not traveling. Thanks, Fae -- http://enwp.org/user_talk:fae Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/faetags ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau

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On 29 March 2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link > in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no > restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why? Shouldn't be, I'd have th