Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-23 Thread Cameron D
That is part of it, but some of the early morning examples are up to 500% different, although with very small values. In those cases I still suspect there is extra scattered radiation from the surroundings, whether it be trees or buildings. I wonder also if the sensor type may change results sl

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-23 Thread Tom Keffer
Very useful, Cameron. It looks like the R-S curve is quite a bit lower, maybe as much as 20% lower, at dawn and dusk, which seems to be when people are experiencing values higher than maxSolarRad. On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:19 AM Cameron D wrote: > And then I forgot the attachment! > > > On Wedn

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-23 Thread Cameron D
And then I forgot the attachment! On Wednesday, 23 December 2020 at 7:18:31 pm UTC+10 Cameron D wrote: > I should have looked a bit more closely before posting! I used the solrad > excel code from Uni Washington. > I had adjusted my B&H parameters to represent quite clean air but forgot > to

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-23 Thread Cameron D
I should have looked a bit more closely before posting! I used the solrad excel code from Uni Washington. I had adjusted my B&H parameters to represent quite clean air but forgot to match the Bras and RS code from default. If I: 1. reset the BH turbidity params to default, 2. adjust the B

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-23 Thread Cameron D
So the weewx python code says it is using the Ryan and Stolzenbach model, which has a few approximations that don't work well in some cases, and it looks like this is one of them. I've attached a plot comparing 3 insolation models predicting global horizontal irradiation. Bird and Hulstrom 1991

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-22 Thread Greg Troxel
"t...@tom.org" writes: > kk, glad you corroborated my observations. I am no expert in this for sure. > I am just tired of all of the comments I get from visitors to the website > about how my readings exceed theoretical max. I could remove the max, but > that doesn't seem fun. I have added m

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-21 Thread moth...@gmail.com
These are the mine measurements in the Netherlands today 21-12-2020. Ton Op maandag 21 december 2020 om 20:24:13 UTC+1 schreef kk44...@gmail.com: > http://www.michler-fischer.privat.t-online.de/Bulletin68_83_94.pdf > (from Switzerland, unfortunately in german) > > tke...@gmail.com schrieb am Mont

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-21 Thread Karen K
http://www.michler-fischer.privat.t-online.de/Bulletin68_83_94.pdf (from Switzerland, unfortunately in german) tke...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 21. Dezember 2020 um 19:53:14 UTC+1: > Selection of the algorithm is in there --- just not documented. (I often > do that with configurations that ar

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-21 Thread Tom Keffer
Selection of the algorithm is in there --- just not documented. (I often do that with configurations that are not quite settled.) Here's the default. It will be documented in V4.3. [StdWXCalculate] [[WXXTypes]] [[[maxSolarRad]]] algorithm = rs atc = 0.8 nfac = 2 Adjust as

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-21 Thread Karen K
First, I see 2 different formulas in WeeWX. Additionally there is a factor that can be between 0.7 and 0.91. It may be an idea to adjust those values. (But in the moment I found no place to put "atc" and "maxSolarRad_algo" into weewx.conf. tke...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 21. Dezember 2020 u

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-21 Thread Tom Keffer
Well, if someone has a better source for calculating maximum solar radiation, that matches the radiation spectrum of popular sensors, I'm all ears. On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:19 AM t...@tom.org wrote: > kk, glad you corroborated my observations. I am no expert in this for > sure. I am just tired

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-21 Thread t...@tom.org
kk, glad you corroborated my observations. I am no expert in this for sure. I am just tired of all of the comments I get from visitors to the website about how my readings exceed theoretical max. I could remove the max, but that doesn't seem fun. I do not have the expertise to validate the way

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-20 Thread Karen K
I found that thread interesting, so I added the column "maxSolarRad", too. [image: dayradiation.png] Readings of the console and the WeatherLinkLive device are quite the same. And the readings of "radiation" are higher than "maxSolarRad". The values I upload to the local weather network are wel

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Greg Troxel writes: > Can someone share how to add maxSolarRad (when it is in the db) to the > graphs for the traditional skin? Can I graph radiation, max (observed), > and theory all at once, having three? The answer is to just add it and label it; it comes out in green after radiation in blu

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Can someone share how to add maxSolarRad (when it is in the db) to the graphs for the traditional skin? Can I graph radiation, max (observed), and theory all at once, having three? I think the answer is the same for seasons and traditional. I only just today updated to 4.2.0 (well, git master f

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Solar Radiation > Theoretical Max

2020-12-20 Thread Greg Troxel
I had a thought about this last night. There are two entirely separable questions. One is whether the maxSolarRad value is correct, and the other is what your sensor is measuring. I think the "is the max correct" can be answered (and should be) without considering your data at all. First, I th