Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

McKubre believes in the "Conservation of Miracles". I agree with him and would add my version: "Different dog, same leg action". What is at the heart of the FPE drives all the effects we see. For all the early years the effect was called the "Fleischmann-Pons Effect". Why change it now? I say g

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Hello gang, As a friend of Abd Lomax, I am keenly interested in his evolving plans over the last two years to make a cheap do-it-yourself-at-home kit for replicating the detection of neutron tracks in plastic film adjacent to a 50 ml thin wall plastic cell with a palladium chloride and lithium chl

[Vo]:Heavy photon

One other thought is that for a given electric charge to move in a way that creates a photon it must move it's inertial mass around. The issue is that the inertial mass of an electron and a proton is highly different. This begs the question of if it takes the same energy or not to release the pho

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

- Original Nachricht Von: Jed Rothwell An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 19.12.2011 03:03 Betreff: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre > Here is a key issue. Rossi's personality is an open book thanks to his > website. That i

Re: [Vo]:e-cat replication by Celani

Couple of clarifications from an Italian speaker over on Talk Polywell: - Regarding the Gammas Celani stated that they are the final product of the reaction that can be removed (note: this was really not clear.) - Regarding the Catalyst, Celani thinks that it must be a metal like Platinum or Palla

Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research

On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 15:10 -0500, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: > I don't know. The hotter the better the reaction. The hotter the > more hydrogen is driven out and the worse the reaction. > If I knew I would do it. > But doesn't your theory revolve around the idea that the distances affected by

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Gene went from a top academic career to working in a warehouse at night > to feed his family. > He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career, no. > > Fleischmann and Pons had a terrible time. > Too much money? They had

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > He sure knew what he was getting into. Fleischmann wrote a lighthearted > account of this, quoted in Beaudette's book. It starts off with Arrhenius > in 1883. He was one of the most important electrochemists in history, like > Faraday. He mad

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > > > Gene went from a top academic career to working in a > > warehouse at night to feed his family. > > > > He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career, > no. > > > > > > > Fleischmann and Pons had a terrible time.

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > This is so wrong as to make me very upset. I'll do anything I can to get > hold of a FPE device from Leonardo or Defkalion or who ever and shove it up > some FPE deniers back side so far the sun will never shine on it again. And > you wond

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Cude what does this have to do with F&P having been replicated in many labs all over the world? You need to accept that the FPE is real and move on to working out why it happens. Oh BTW you just might apologize to F&P for the treatment they received by you and your mates. Would you please disc

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

I state again. 1 professor, 1 grad and 2 high school students replicated F&P in a MIT lab in front of over 100 ICCF 10 participants in 2002 and 2003. The observed excess heat and transmutations. The FPE is real and can be easily replicated. Sorry but I have a Royal Flush and you have a pair of

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: McKubre believes in the "Conservation of Miracles". I agree with him and would add my version: "Different dog, same leg action". What is at the heart of the FPE drives all the effects we see. For all the early years the effect was calle

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Cude what does this have to do with F&P having been replicated in many > labs all over the world? They haven't been. McKubre himself has said that no one has achieved quantitative reproducibility. And interlay reproducibility always requ

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I state again. 1 professor, 1 grad and 2 high school students replicated > F&P in a MIT lab in front of over 100 ICCF 10 participants in 2002 and > 2003. The observed excess heat and transmutations. It wasn't enough to convince the DOE i

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Horace I suggest that call should be made when we have nailed the exact process that caused Effect A and Effect B to have a different pathway. Until that time, if it ever occurs, I feel "Different Dog, Same Leg Action" is the road to follow. I have no problem if say WL is proven to be the corre

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

I can't believe you really think that is a correct assessment. F&P have been replicated. Just have a read through Jed's archives. Christ man high school students replicated P&F with both excess heat and transmutations, in a MIT lab and in front of over 100 ICCF 10 attendees? Where you there? Ha

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: McKubre believes in the "Conservation of Miracles". I agree with him and would add my version: "Different dog, same leg action". What is at the heart of the FPE drives all the effects we see. For all the early years the effect was calle

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Did the DOE visit the students results? I suggest not. Did they sit in front of a SEM and see the transmutated products? I suggest they did not and never left their office. Sorry but real word results trumps DOE theory anytime. As far as replicating P&F, did you actually read the test results t

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:29 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Horace I suggest that call should be made when we have nailed the exact process that caused Effect A and Effect B to have a different pathway. Until that time, if it ever occurs, I feel "Different Dog, Same Leg Action" is the road to fol

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Our FPE device

Hi Aussie Guy, Jones Beene and I kicked around a similar idea of a pressurized tube with the h1 squeezing "Out" instead of the Arrata style nested Pd reactors where the pressurized H2 squeezes "into" the interior tube. We exchanged ideas regarding pourous staninless steel tubes with elect

RE: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

>From Susan > Jed, > How we call "inidipendent" the tests made by > Ampenergo ? Do we have something else excepts a bunch > of words ? Do you know who they are ? These guys are > all friends or in someway related to Rossi. > Somewhere there is the list and where thy come from > (Leonardo, LTI..).

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

Susanna Gipp wrote: > Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Yes, data. > Do you know who they are ? > Yes, I said I did. Please read my message more carefully. > These guys are all friends or in someway related to Rossi. > No, they are not. Sorry but in my world "indep

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Vorl Bek wrote: > > > Gene went from a top academic career to working in a > > > warehouse at night to feed his family. > > > > > > > He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career, > > no. > In my opinion, being the science writer at MIT puts you at the top of your career. Gen

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Jed Rothwell wrote: > > You did not know him. You did not spend weeks at his house, as I > did. You do know what he accomplished, or what difficulties he > faced. So I suggest you stop making ignorant assertions about > him. I think you have Cude killfiled, or you would know that he wrote what y

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

You write too much. A lot of citations and it is unclear in which context there where made. A citation from Westinghouse, who where a competitor. (If this citation was about AC, then Westinghouse was correct. Not anything that Edison did or propagated, was a success) I think your other statemen

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: You have seen the high school students doing FPE excess heat experiments at > MIT during ICCF-10? I loved those kids! They know more chemistry than I'll ever master. But the experiment was far from definitive. I would call it suggestive, and worthy of further attention.

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Vorl Bek wrote: > > faced. So I suggest you stop making ignorant assertions about > > him. > > I think you have Cude killfiled, or you would know that he wrote > what you are replying to. > I do have him killfiled. For my peace of mind. I apologize if I mixed you up with him. I wasn't paying m

[Vo]:Policy Recommendations

As the theocracy unravels, opportunities for reform may present themselves. We can hope that such Reformation is not as bloody as that which followed Galileo but the modern era has given rise to much worse phenomena in reaction to calcified institutions, such as Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Jed Rothwell wrote: > I do have him killfiled. For my peace of mind. > > I apologize if I mixed you up with him. I wasn't paying much > attention to the top of the message, or who wrote it. Sorry > about that. That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him rather than you or the ot

Re: [Vo]:Policy Recommendations

I remember the day when one out of every two messages was from Horace. Not a lot of room to talk there. Frank

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Vorl Bek wrote: > That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him > rather than you or the other optimists here. Then what is the reason for your presence on this list? To turn optimism into pessimism? To "fix" those optimists? T

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Vorl Bek > wrote: > > > That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him > > rather than you or the other optimists here. > > Then what is the reason for your presence on this list? To turn > optimism into pessimism? To "fix" those optimists? I

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Susanna Gipp wrote: > > >> Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? > > > Yes, data. > Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay and bad hearsay at that because the conditions under which the results wer

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

Am 19.12.2011 15:43, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Susanna Gipp wrote: Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Yes, data. Do you know who they are ? Yes, I said I did. Please read my message more carefully. Same what Allan Sterling says about the Penderev Magnet Motor. He kno

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

Mary Yugo wrote: > Yes, data. >> > > Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay . . . > No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from Ampenergo. > and bad hearsay at that because the conditions under which the results > were obtained are not s

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> Yes, data. >>> >> >> Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay . . . >> > > No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from > Ampenergo. > And I say again: Ampenergo is

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

Vortex is a great list.. but I think it has outgrown the email list format. I propose moving the list to a modern web forum based product. Modern forums allow embedded HTML/multimedia, moderation, yellow-card/red-card infractions, personal messaging, email protection, full searching, plus all the

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: You write too much. You do not read enough. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

+1 I would live to see this list migrate to a forum for reasons already mentioned by Brad

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

I received this in email from someone who prefers to remain anonymous: "Regarding Rossi's relationship with Ampenergo, I find it interesting that Rossi's company (Leonardo Corp.) and Ampenergo share the same rented office space, which is owned by Ampenergo's founder, Karl Norwood. Rossi's company

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

I'm a newcomer but my two cents is that it's fine as is and serves an entirely different purpose than a forum. Its form is suitable for its purpose.

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

Mary Yugo wrote: No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from Ampenergo. And I say again: Ampenergo is Rossi's N. American distributor and has done and showed nothing As I noted, they were not the distributors when these tests were done. They have done som

RE: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

OK, I ante'd up, so the rest of you out there need to help support this forum... RE: On the topic that Horace brings up re: moving all non-technical postings to the other vortex list... I couldn't agree more... I've posted several times in the past month or two to get voluntary action to limit re

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

The mailing list format is fine. I'm completely opposed to web-based forums for discussing sensitive topics. With an e-mail based discussion list, each participant keeps a copy of the discussions. A web-based forum can be taken down very easily. Web-based forums are subject to hacking and manipu

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

Regarding the matter of: > RE: On the topic that Horace brings up re: moving all > non-technical postings to the other vortex list... I presume this is in reference to vortex-b. Unfortunately, vortex-b is set up as a no-holds bar forum where anything goes. Long ago I stopped subscribing to "b" be

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

Also, mobile accessibility of web-based forums is poor. Like all complex web applications, they won't work uniformly well accross different browsers, esp. embedded ones. And e-mail has mechanisms for authentication. You can sign your messages with your private key using GPG, the signature will b

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

I suggest that a blog be created by whomever wants to, to discuss things related to Rossi. Personally, I like email format, and the fact vortex-l has over 15 years of archives. I prefer to post here. On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:38 AM, ecat builder wrote: Vortex is a great list.. but I think it

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Mary Yugo wrote: By the way, why don't you contact Jed personally about his experience with Defkalion and trying to arrange a visit with them. There is nothing to be said about that. It was delayed and delayed, and it appears to have petered out. Delays, confusion and cancellations are not u

[Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com The Ni powder, most pure and finest grade, is handled in dry box under inert atmosphere. It is mixed with 5 % by weight carbon powder, subjected to 500 C and degassed with a vacuum pump to prepare the surface and clean out any oxygen/oxides clinging to it. The sur

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

What the heck is stopping someone from taking private money and doing research in their basement? From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

Can you describe the first test that is left out of the PDF file? How many slides were you not allowed to post? From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampe

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

> I presume this is in reference to vortex-b. Unfortunately, > vortex-b is set up as a no-holds bar forum where anything goes. > Long ago I stopped subscribing to "b" because what goes on there > disgusts me. Anybody can join "b" and not fear being removed > simply because there are no rules. It'

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

>From Bek: > Your 'b' must be different from the one I subscribe to. No, it's the same one. > I haven't seen a post there in months, aside from the > test I just did. Yes, and why do you suppose that is so? It's called the "scorched earth" syndrome. Things got so bad that most, myself included

[Vo]:Crystal Radio sets, high school students and the FPE

Sure not take it to the bank replications but hey they saw transmutations both up and down the atomic scale! You don't do that with any chemistry that I know of. This stuff is like the old days of Cat's Whisker Crystal radio sets. Frustrating to find the right spot and the right pressure to ca

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

For what it's worth I prefer Vortex as it is and has been. Ron --On Monday, December 19, 2011 9:38 AM -0800 ecat builder wrote: Vortex is a great list.. but I think it has outgrown the email list format. I propose moving the list to a modern web forum based product. Modern forums allow embed

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Horace it was known as the "Fleischmann-Pons Effect" for years. Check Jed's archives. AG On 12/20/2011 12:14 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:29 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Horace I suggest that call should be made when we have nailed the exact process that caused Effect A a

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

I didn't invent the name. It was called the "Fleischmann-Pons Effect" for years. Google it. All I'm suggesting is that we should honour the effect they discovered with their names, even if we don't know how and why it happens. No point in inventing a new name for an effect that already has a ve

Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

25 Hz to 100 MHz is a VERY wide range. Finding the right one would be like looking for a needle in a hay stack. How bout a few clues as to the actual frequency and the power level required? Most F Gens do not output much power. AG On 12/20/2011 5:52 AM, David ledin wrote: Phen formula from

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

> > It's called the "scorched earth" syndrome. Things got so bad that > most, myself included, simply subscribed out of "b". I suspect > the trolls are still however. They are still subscribed to "b", > abiding their time, waiting to pounce. If everybody feels that way, 'b' will never be used. It

Re: [Vo]:e-cat replication by Celani

*- Regarding the Catalyst, Celani thinks that it must be a metal like Platinum or Palladium.* >From this stantment, It can be clearly deduced that Celani does not trust Rossi. Rossi has stated that there is no precious metal in his reactor that is no Platinum or Palladium are used in the Rossi re

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

> Particularly the infamous "Grok" > persona. He's there still. He calls it Vortex purgatory. T

[Vo]:Edison notebooks at Rutgers

This is great stuff! Anyone interested in the history of technology should look at Edison's notebooks, some now available on line: http://edison.rutgers.edu/docsamp.htm Here is a famous one kept by Charles Batchelor in 1879: http://edison.rutgers.edu/NamesSearch/SingleDoc.php3?DocId=N052105 Lot

Re: [Vo]:e-cat replication by Celani

Celani knew enough to try to covertly obtain a radiation spectrum during the test run where Rossi left 2 holes through the lead shielding. When Rossi caught him, Celani said something like "That is what Professors do", like that excused his conduct. I suggest it is Rossi that does not trust Cel

Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

Hey Aussie, It seems like Chan is doing all his heating by RF coil. A slow tuning of the dial may be all it takes to find a harmonic that works. I take it you've tried the 81.9Mhz figure from Storms? Maybe ask how he came up with that number? I have some new copper pipe, a freq gen, and some new p

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

>From Bek: >> It's called the "scorched earth" syndrome. Things got so >> bad that most, myself included, simply subscribed out of >> "b". I suspect the trolls are still however. They are >> still subscribed to "b", abiding their time, waiting to >> pounce. > If everybody feels that way, 'b' will

Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

81.9 MHz is the NMR frequency for Deuterium. READ THIS: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJtriggering.pdf The RFG and wide band RF amp model used are quoted. AG On 12/20/2011 7:41 AM, ecat builder wrote: Hey Aussie, It seems like Chan is doing all his heating by RF coil. A slow tuning

Re: [Vo]:e-cat replication by Celani

Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Celani knew enough to try to covertly obtain a radiation spectrum during > the test run where Rossi left 2 holes through the lead shielding. He told me he was sitting in the next room when the instruments registered a burst. He did not know about any holes. Shortly after

Re: [Vo]:e-cat replication by Celani

Thanks for the clarification. Appreciated. I expect to be seeing these guys 1st Qtr 2012, so good to know more about what went on and who did what. AG On 12/20/2011 7:53 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Aussie Guy E-Cat > wrote: Celani knew enough to try to covert

[Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/top-italian-scientist-claims-to-have-achieved-nickel-hydrogen-cold-fusion

[Vo]:Names given to the study of "cold fusion" since 1989

See Dave Nagel's Table 1, p. iv: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/NagelDJproceeding.pdf I will copy the table here from the Word file: Table 1. Names given to the study of “cold fusion” since 1989 *Terminology* *Comments* Cold Fusion Original and recognized name, but incomplete Low Energy Nucle

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

Jed, I like you because you are romantic. I think a little too optimistic but I can see your heart is in the right place. I hope you are right. Giovanni On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > Jed, you have previously stated that you have private i

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

At 01:35 PM 12/19/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/top-italian-scientist-claims-to-have-achieved-nickel-hydrogen-cold-fusion Hard to tell ... since that's an echo of an echo from a google translation of Passerini's blog On p1 of comments Passi said he would get

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

> That's the first time I've seen a UniBO Feb 1 date (it was previously > weeks .. ) : I wonder if they have now set a deadline. > IIRC, U of Bologna/UniBo set the deadline. They will cancel the contract if not activated by a certain time -- not sure if it was Feb 1 but sounds right. I guess th

RE: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

>From New Energy Times: ___ "New Energy Times asked Braga yesterday whether the university had set a specific deadline for the first payment. “The deadline for this is mid-January, and, as far as I know, an extension is unlikely,” Braga wrote ___ http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/01/univer

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

Jed, I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary. But I was born and grown up in Italy. I have met several Italian scientists. In fact, I met in person, and I have been at his house another LENR researcher of relatively old times: Renzo Boscoli (you can do a web search for him if you don't know

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

Mary Yugo wrote: > > I guess they don't want to be used indefinitely and for free as an excuse > for Rossi's failure to get proper testing. > I think it would be more accurate to call this Rossi's policy to avoid proper testing. It is not a failure; it is deliberate. He has said "no tests!" for

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

I doubt the deadline has much to do with being used and more to do with trying to force action out of Rossi. The UniBO will suffer the loss of funding if Rossi doesn't carry out the contract. Under maryyugo's view of the world it will be because Rossi has nothing real to provide the UniBO to t

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I think it would be more accurate to call this Rossi's policy to avoid > proper testing. It is not a failure; it is deliberate. He has said "no > tests!" for years. He means it. He never wanted them. He thinks tests are > incompatible with

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

Mary Yugo wrote: He allowed a few mainly as a favor to his friends, especially Focardi. What does he think his first client is going to do if not test? I meant tests open to the public. I am sure it is obvious that is what I mean, so you are being a pill again, making a useless remark j

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > Jed, > I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary. > Sorry, not Italian. He claims to have been a victim of the corrupted Italian system and I was > open to accept that but then when you see how he followed the negative > behavior

[Vo]:Do some analysis on time varying radioactivity counts

I have a radioactivity counter going for a piece of Cs 137. You find it's log here http://a.djk.se/counts.txt First column is the sequence number. Second column is the timestamp in seconds since 1970 with microsecond precision. I am trying to keep it at 2 seconds. When the ntp correction is done t

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I meant tests open to the public. I am sure it is obvious that is what I > mean, so you are being a pill again, making a useless remark just to be > disagreeable. Knock it off. > This time you're the one being a pill. There would be nothi

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

I don't think this debate needs to take place on the Vortex. It is maryyugo's litany. Why no independent tests? Well maybe Rossi doesn't want them, at least the kind that satisfy Maryyugo. It might be because he has nothing or maybe because he is no fool. You see if it were me I would not wa

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

Mary Yugo wrote: There would be nothing whatever to stop anyone getting the device from testing it once they own it and from publishing the test results. Yes. We know that. On many occasions Rossi has invited people to buy a system in order to test it. That is what he told the people at MIT,

RE: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

I've been watching this soap opera for months now and wonder greatly how persons of such education are blind to the pathological nature of this Rossi discussion. This endless debate isn't about honest concern for science or anything else. This is pure OCD and having been afflicted with that ill

[Vo]: FYI, interesting news in cell biology...

This from PhysOrg.com. "In short, we discovered we can grow normal and tumor cells from the same patient forever, and nobody has been able to do that," he says. "Normal cell cultures for most organ systems can't be established in the lab, so it wasn't possible previously to compare normal and t

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Christ man high school students replicated P&F with both excess heat and > transmutations, in a MIT lab and in front of over 100 ICCF 10 attendees? And what did those 100 people see? A power supply pumping 3 A into a cell, and a mercury

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

Randy Wuller wrote: You see if it were me I would not want tests particularly ones that satisfied the skeptics who are helping keep a lid on this. If LENR tests were ever performed to satisfy the skeptics and entice coverage by the media, well watch out. In other words if the world thought

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Did the DOE visit the students results? I suggest not. Did they sit in > front of a SEM and see the transmutated products? I suggest they did not > and never left their office. I suggest you didn't either. Sorry but real word results tr

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

You skipped over the bit about the up and down transmutations they found on the cathodes. As for the temperature, you need to read the reports and see the photographs. It is not what you said. On 12/20/2011 10:15 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat mail

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Vorl Bek wrote: > > >> > > Gene went from a top academic career to working in a >> > > warehouse at night to feed his family. >> > > >> > >> > He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career, >> > no. >> > > In my opinion, be

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I do have him killfiled. For my peace of mind. > > > What a coincidence. Your posts all go to a special file too: my must-reply-to file. In a way, it's a kill file, too. Unfortunately, I can't always keep up with your verbosity, and sometim

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > He is > trying to keep a lid on things. Especially because he has no patent. At €2,000,000 per MW with 13 MW on order, he has a guaranteed income of €26M. At some point, he might be satisfied that he has enough money in the bank and start li

Re: [Vo]:Celani claims to have replicated Rossi

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: >No biggy. No biggy compared to waiting 22 years to date. T

RE: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

Joshua wrote: ". And a top academic career would be a chair at a university or director of a research institute." Well, Josh, by your own definition, Dr. Robert Duncan, Vice Chancellor of Research at Univ of Missouri, would then most definitely qualify as "top academic career", and he was ske

Re: [Vo]:"Private information" about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

Yugo... must be serbian ! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...) Just kidding. :-) No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to be a lot of evidences pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground. 2011/12/19 Mary Yugo

RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

Hi Guys , Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined up . I got interested in Phen as well Phen talks about "The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi and heated to 200 C " I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the rest is coming .

RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

It comes out of a nearly full tank at more than that. -Original Message- From: Peter Brosnan [mailto:ddc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com Hi Guys , Pete from Australia here , I

[Vo]:Once again, I advise Defkalion to show Stremmenos their reactors

I am surely not making any friends at Defkalion. This is a surrealistic conversation. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4879#p4879 JedRothwell wrote: What is disturbing about Defkalion is their dispute with Stremmenos. To have member of the Board of Directors accusing you of

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