McKubre believes in the "Conservation of Miracles". I agree with him and
would add my version: "Different dog, same leg action". What is at the
heart of the FPE drives all the effects we see. For all the early years
the effect was called the "Fleischmann-Pons Effect". Why change it now?
I say give them the respect and credit they deserve. To hell with
avoiding their names like they are poison and calling the effect they
discovered a politically nice title of LENR as if not mentioning F&P
will make that new paper on LENR more politically correct and likely to
get published. F&P did the hard yards and paid with their careers. They
deserve to be remembered and the effect they discovered named after them
until the stars burn out and it all goes black.
//On 12/19/2011 6:27 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
The use of the term FPE is misleading and confusing.
The Wright brothers invented the first controlled flight. It would be
nonsensical and misleading to call every kind of winged aircraft a
Wright machine, not distinguishing between a 747 and a piper cub. The
F&P protocol was Pd-D low voltage electrolysis. This differs from
Claytor's low pressure gas cells, Storm's glow discharge, Mizuno and
Ohmori's HV DC plasma electrolysis, or solid state electrolyte
experiments, Piantelli's gaseous Ni-H, Arata and Zhang's double
structured spillover cathode using Pd black, Patterson's layered Pd-Ni
beads, Szpack's codepositon cells, Les Case's Ni-carbon catalyst in
gaseous deuterium, etc. etc.
Not all airplanes are the same, not all LENR devices are the same.
There are important differences. There is a vocabulary that describes
those differences, and which is used by people in the field. Who is
going to know what you are talking about if you call every LENR device
an FPE?
On Dec 18, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
On 12/19/2011 5:19 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
If it were possible to replicate F&P and build on it, there are
thousands of people and companies who would have.
They have been replicated. In many labs all around the world. Try
searching in Jed's archives. Have you not listened to anything Jed
has said about the history of the FPE? People lost their jobs and had
their careers destroyed for reporting successful replications.
Even F&P themselves enjoyed new labs and millions of dollars in
funds from the Japanese and never came up with definitive proof of
their concepts.
Amazing statement that. Too bad it is not correct. What they failed
to do, as I understand it, is to produce a commercially ready device.
Forged or ignored? I don't think there is any good evidence for
that.
Did you not see the unedited positive for FPE excess heat MIT results
versus the edited no FPE excess heat MIT results? Someone in MIT
forged the data and the Hot Fusion lab guys had a party. As for
ignored, you must be joking? Right? Like the 24 SPAWAR peer reviewed
results that were ignored?
BTW Mary we are still testing and developing a FPE device.
I wish you good luck with that-- I really do.
We will get it done.
Will I get my hands on a working FPE device? You can bet on it.
I am not betting for you if you think you're getting one from Rossi
or Defkalion!
And if you are wrong? As you know I'm talking to DGT to do a factory
visit. Just might talk Leonardo in one as well.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
