Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread pagnucco
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > I'll comment on it: he went on to say, but it isn't fusion. > > That's apparently because he's swallowed, lock, stock, and sinker, > Widom-Larsen theory, and isolated, idiosyncratic attempt to "explain" > LENR by coming up with even more preposterous hypotheses, none o

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Charles Hope
On Dec 26, 2011, at 22:10, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > Then there is that pesky Coulomb barrier. What I found, though, was that > there was ample opinion among quantum physicists that it was possible that > the unexplored conditions of condensed matter just might provide some pathway > arou

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Rich Murray
Hi Abd Lomax, I'm glad to see you posting a lot now, and expressing strong doubts about Rossi. Are you continuing to develop your low cost tiny CF kits for electrolytic codeposition of Pd in deuterium heavy water electrolyte, using plastic to record the impacts of any generated neutrons, accordin

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
The 2.5 x 2.5 mm device has a max power output of approx 0.8 mW at 10 deg K differential. Assuming 1 Watt excess with a COP 5 yields 200 mW input. Would need around 300 of the MPG-D615 devices with fitted finned heat sinks to each device's COLD side to get good thermal transfer into the air. C

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Put it this way, if this isn't a nuclear reaction, it is some kind of >super-battery, probably worth billions just for that. Unfortunately >for this battery idea, ... helium. You appear to have ignored th

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Alberto De Souza
I'm a new member of the list, but I'm reading the posts since January. I'm addicted... If we have a large COP (10-100), I believe we can use thin film thermogenerators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectricity) such as these http://www.micropelt.com/down/datasheet_mpg_d651_d751.pdf to make a

[Vo]:Orbital Stressing and Deflation Fusion

2011-12-26 Thread Horace Heffner
The applicability of deflation fusion concepts to fusion, especially Ni plus hydrogen fusion were discussed here: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NiProtonRiddle.pdf http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44662.html The probability of the deflated electron state is increased as

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
As I read Dr Bushnell, he is saying 5 things: 1) Excess heat is real and has been replicated in 100s of labs around the world. 2) The scale of the heat generated is beyond current chemistry. 3) What is being observed to occur is not Fusion (Hot or Cold) as it is currently understood. 4) WL seem

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:27 PM 12/26/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat <aussieguy.e...@gmail.com> wrote: What no comment on this: "My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Lang

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:19 PM 12/26/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: What no comment on this: "My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that over 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR is real, capable of producing ene

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:31 PM 12/26/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: Arata ran a small motor with one heated by a self-sustaining gas-loaded cell. Cool! Did anyone verify this or replicate it? And how long did i

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > You have not even bothered to look at most, and the few that you claim you >> read you say "make no sense" and are poorly written. >> > > Jed, that's really unfair. You are mixing up two very different > situations, the Rossi/Defkalion issue, and the full body of dat

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:52 PM 12/26/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mary Yugo <maryyu...@gmail.com> wrote: I'd believe almost anything, including most particularly Defkalion and Rossi claims, if they were properly tested, the tests were independently and properly replicated and someone or

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:27 PM 12/26/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mary Yugo <maryyu...@gmail.com> wrote: I suggest you stop guessing and read the literature. I suggest you stop referring vaguely to some amorphous "literature" and answer the question . . . No can do. I learned years a

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:19 PM 12/26/2011, Vorl Bek wrote: > Vorl Bek wrote: > > > > > Nobody ever closes the loop. > > > > That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting > with Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, "closing the > loop" is called running in "heat after death" mode. Fleischman

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:48 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Mary, > > I would like very much to work with your acquaintance to see how his > model compares to some of the in dept analysis I completed upon the October > 6 test data. > > I totally understand how his model must work and just want to s

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:14 PM 12/26/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: Vorl Bek <vorl@antichef.com> wrote: Nobody ever closes the loop. That is incorrect. Many people have closed

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I say DDSLA, "Different Dog, Same Leg Action". Until it is proven what causes the FPE is not what causes the Ni-H effect, I'll continue to refer to ALL such devices as FPE devices. I will not stand by and see F&P denied the right to the effect they discovered. To go further, after we start comm

Re: [Vo]:US DoE believes in LENR after all?

2011-12-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >  It > looks like someone has shorted Ni futures (bought Ni for delivery in 6 mos. > at today's price). T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:32 PM 12/25/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H cell as a FPE device. You can call a pig an eagle, but that won't make it fly. Seriously, the term "Fleischman-Pons effect" is taken. It usually refers to the "Fleischman-Pons

Re: [Vo]:US DoE believes in LENR after all?

2011-12-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Ahsoka Tano wrote: > It is also highly unlikely that a DOE public official such as Opdenaker will > advocate, even in jest, a statement such as: "Perhaps the thing to do is to > go out and buy a whole boatload of nickel futures!" Palladium futures spiked after th

Re: [Vo]:US DoE believes in LENR after all?

2011-12-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-12-27 02:31, Ahsoka Tano wrote: Looks like it may have been a fake letter. The original site about the September letter has already taken it down: The URL you provided appears to be wrong. This one works: http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/department-of-energy-policy-contin

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread David Roberson
Mary, I would like very much to work with your acquaintance to see how his model compares to some of the in dept analysis I completed upon the October 6 test data. I totally understand how his model must work and just want to see how it represents some of the fingerprints of LENR that I hav

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread David Roberson
AG, I would like to get my hands on one of those levitating FPE devices. My UFO drive needs to be improved since the old one has exhausted its N-H system. Have you had to change a flat when far away from home? Actually, I want to congratulate you for your efforts in this field. We need to h

Re: [Vo]:US DoE believes in LENR after all?

2011-12-26 Thread Ahsoka Tano
Looks like it may have been a fake letter. The original site about the September letter has already taken it down: http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/department-of-energy-policy-continues-to-ignore-

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > http://i.imgur.com/YdetE.png > That was a response by Aber0der to this Alsetalokin remark: " I'll buy a Mac when you can pour water in one end and make espresso with the steam from the internal iEcat out the other end." Here: http://www.mole

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
http://i.imgur.com/YdetE.png

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
And here I thought I was the only person to get those. Damn I'm not so special alter all. Oh well time to play with my FPE cell. Did I tell you I have learned how to make it levitate and act like a room temperature superconducting ring magnet? Amazing technology. Now if I can just get the right

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Why not call Mr. Opdenaker to confirm? His phone number and email are > listed. > I don't want to pester him by telephone but I am thinking of sending an email. I'd rather someone from the press do it -- perhaps Krivit will.0 BTW, do yo

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Your assuming their pay check allows them to change their opinion. MY and others put in so much time that I feel they have a stake in the game and it is not about FPE devices being accepted as real. AG On 12/27/2011 10:00 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: This pretty much sums it up… “If t

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Why not call Mr. Opdenaker to confirm? His phone number and email are listed. I find it amazing how easily you put down Dr. Bushnell, casting aside his statement as if it has no value? MY if you were really after the truth, you could have seen a working FPE device by now. AG On 12/27/2011 9:

RE: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
This pretty much sums it up. "If there is anything I have learned from the pathoskeps over the past year is that intellectual and well-reasoned arguments are not really necessary to get your point across, and that annoying repetition can be effective." -m

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > What no comment on this: > > "My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis > Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that over > 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR is real, capable of

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread pagnucco
I think that the frequency of the outgoing down-converted photons will remain the same whether the incoming high frequency photon is absorbed by one atom or collectively by N-atoms. A coherent multi-atom absorption will create a Schroedinger-Cat-like state of one excited atom and (N-1) ground stat

RE: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Is this a coincidence or what? (No, there are no coincidences) If you read my response to Fran, who was responding to a posting by Axil, I used the term *domino-effect*. About 90 minutes later I went and looked at the headlines at PhysOrg.com and came across this article: ===

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
What no comment on this: "My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that over 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR is real, capable of producing energy much greater that chemical reactions, with mi

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > MaryYugo asks: > > “Why is it that specific questions as to power output and duration are, to > some cold fusion advocates, like sunshine to vampires?” > > ** ** > > And Mary, the same could be said

RE: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
MaryYugo asks: "Why is it that specific questions as to power output and duration are, to some cold fusion advocates, like sunshine to vampires?" And Mary, the same could be said for your ANONYMOUS modeler. When asked in a very polite, respectful manner some specific questions by Dave Robers

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Better link: > http://e-catsite.com/2011/12/26/more-helpful-e-mails-from-the-doe/ > An email to Mr. X? Hah! Now we know who Rossi's anonymous buyer is. It's none other than Mr. X!!

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Better link: http://e-catsite.com/2011/12/26/more-helpful-e-mails-from-the-doe/ AG On 12/27/2011 9:19 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://ecatnews.com/?p=1717

[Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1717

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I know he is very busy. I see getting the NI control system working very well is his current priority. I agree with that. I do know electricity generation is a high priority. He needs to show this before Defkalion does. The first to show electricity generation from their device will gain high g

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: It must do more than barely exceed the limits of chemistry, what ever > exactly that is. > The first report in the literature showed it exceeding the limits by a factor of 1,700. That's not "barely;" that is a lot. Like a person pole vaulting 10 km high. If you do not understan

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
We need to generate electricity. To do that we need more than 120 deg C steam. So we wait for the high temp thermal oil E-Cat. The fame belongs to F&P. I'm nothing more than a system integrator. As for closing the loop with a thermal FPE device, you do understand the Carnot cycle? If not, pleas

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Arata ran a small motor with one heated by a self-sustaining gas-loaded > cell. Cool! Did anyone verify this or replicate it? And how long did it run and at what output level? Why is it that specific questions as to power output and dura

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: > "Cells running heat after death have closed the loop. Apart from them, no > laboratory scale device can produce electricity. " The implication is > clear. The cells can produce electricity. If that isn't what you meant, > just say so. > Obviously I mean they produce heat

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Charles Hope
On Dec 26, 2011, at 16:57, Mary Yugo wrote: > With Rossi and Defkalion truly acting and writing like clowns, it's not hard > to see why there is no major press coverage or much of anything else going > on, a full year after the original announcement and hoopla. And Aussie > Guy's extravag

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:13 PM, David Roberson wrote: > OK, I will wait further for the information. It is pretty important to me > to determine if it is at all possible for enough energy to be stored and > then released to achieve Rossi's results. A good model such as your friends > would help

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> I suggest you stop guessing and read the literature. >>> >> >> I suggest you stop referring vaguely to some amorphous "literature" and >> answer the question . . . >> > > No can do. I learned years ago there is no poi

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: I'd believe almost anything, including most particularly Defkalion and > Rossi claims, if they were properly tested, the tests were independently > and properly replicated and someone or some organization I trusted did them. No you will not believe "almost anything." You believ

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: > I suggest you stop guessing and read the literature. >> > > I suggest you stop referring vaguely to some amorphous "literature" and > answer the question . . . > No can do. I learned years ago there is no point to spoon feeding information to skeptics. First they misunderstan

RE: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Fran: Good point. I think the evidence supports the hypothesis that, *whatever* LENR is, it is not a single event; there are likely several different processes happening depending on what kind of system one has (e.g., electrochemical or gas-phase), and that it may also be a cascade of separate

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > hey figure that people who do not believe calorimetry would not believe > this demonstration either. They have a good point. If someone revealed a > device of this nature, Mary Yugo would surely say it must be fake, with > hidden wires. > I'

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I suggest you stop guessing and read the literature. > I suggest you stop referring vaguely to some amorphous "literature" and answer the question -- see below for a clarification. > > Cells running heat after death have closed the loop. Ap

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Now, to take up your second question, should it be possible to build a wet > CF cell which gives enough thermal boost due to the PF effect so that you > can get something useful out of it? Jed and Ed Storms have, IIRC, both > alleged that it should be possible. You se

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-26 03:26 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote: On 11-12-26 02:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: Try responding to a real argument: if the claim, as Aussie Guy made it, is for a device with a COP of

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: > In practice the requirement to close the loop with a wet CF cell is likely >> to be more stringent than that. >> > > I understand but, not to drive this into the ground, why is it necessarily > so? Is there nothing you can do to such a cell to get a higher delta T? > Larger

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > On 11-12-26 02:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > >> >> Try responding to a real argument: if the claim, as Aussie Guy made it, >> is for a device with a COP of 5 over an input measured in watts, then why >> not close the loop? What COP w

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-26 02:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: Try responding to a real argument: if the claim, as Aussie Guy made it, is for a device with a COP of 5 over an input measured in watts, then why not close the loop? What COP would you need? 10? 100? what? Defkalion, by the way, claims 35x. As

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Vorl Bek
> Vorl Bek wrote: > > > > > Nobody ever closes the loop. > > > > That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting > with Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, "closing the > loop" is called running in "heat after death" mode. Fleischmann > once called it "fully ignited," borr

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Vorl Bek wrote: > >> >> Nobody ever closes the loop. >> > > That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting with > Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, "closing the loop" is called > running in "heat after death" mode.

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek wrote: > > Nobody ever closes the loop. > That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting with Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, "closing the loop" is called running in "heat after death" mode. Fleischmann once called it "fully ignited," borrowing the term from

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-26 01:51 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-12-26 19:23, Mary Yugo wrote: Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the loop and make them self running except for (rare) refueling. You'd be the first. That's for sure. With a small thermal excess power it's not tr

Re: [Vo]:Energy teleportation in an entangled system.

2011-12-26 Thread pagnucco
Good information. Thanks for posting. Possibly relevant to LENR, but too complicated to be sure. Masahiro Hotta has other papers on this at -- http://arxiv.org/find/grp_physics/1/AND+au:+Hotta_Masahiro+abs:+energy/0/1/0/all/0/1 His more recent paper -- "Quantum Energy Teleportation: An Introduct

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 11:53 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson < orionwo...@charter.net> wrote: > > Nobody ever closes the loop. > > I think the majority of the Vort Collective understands the fact that Vorl > and MY believe most CF/LENR claims are nothing more than horse manure. >

Re: [Vo]:US DoE believes in LENR after all?

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > Hello group, > > Have a read at this. I can't tell whether these emails are to be trusted > or not (personally I believe they're authentic), but it appears that some > individuals in the US Department of Energy believe that LENRs are poss

RE: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
> MaryYugo Wrote: > > > > Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the > > loop and make them self running except for (rare) refueling. > > You'd be the first. That's for sure. > > I wonder why the people AG bought the gadgets from did not close > the loop, or why the high

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > > With a small thermal excess power it's not trivial to close the loop in my > opinion. Agreed it's not trivial. But I was addressing Aussie Guy who said his devices have a COP of 5 in the range of watts and that they are B grade at th

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread francis
Perhaps the same entanglement is responsible for the fusion such that if a seemingly low probability fusion event occurs under these circumstances then the down conversion will also occur? Two different facets of the same environmental cause? Fran Axil Axil Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:33:20 -0800

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-12-26 19:23, Mary Yugo wrote: Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the loop and make them self running except for (rare) refueling. You'd be the first. That's for sure. With a small thermal excess power it's not trivial to close the loop in my opinion. It would

[Vo]:US DoE believes in LENR after all?

2011-12-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Have a read at this. I can't tell whether these emails are to be trusted or not (personally I believe they're authentic), but it appears that some individuals in the US Department of Energy believe that LENRs are possible, after all. Might this be a good thing? McKubre recently

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Vorl Bek
MaryYugo Wrote: > > Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the > loop and make them self running except for (rare) refueling. > You'd be the first. That's for sure. I wonder why the people AG bought the gadgets from did not close the loop, or why the high school students who ma

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
Here's what Rossi wrote today (good old Rossi -- always worth a laugh): 1. Andrea Rossi December 26th, 2011 at 11:39 AM Dear Francesco Fiorenzani: I hope within 2012. We must have a production of 1 million pie

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I take you do not read what I have written on this subject? > I try but sometimes my email client hiccups. Last I remember, you had sealed a deal with Rossi and getting a whatever-watt plant was just around the corner and an absolute c

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread Axil Axil
In Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC) as a process in quantum optics, a nonlinear crystal is used to split photons into pairs of other photons. The efficiency of that process is proportional to the amount of quantum mechanical entanglement that is produced by the incident laser on the no

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
This could be extremely valuable for the field, and profitable for AG. It would be great to bring these to ICCF-17. Measuring ~1 W is not difficult. I recommend a Seebeck calorimeter. It simplifies matters and it has a large s/n ratio compared to other types, in this range of power. At ~10 W or ab

RE: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Hi Aussie, > I expect what Rossi will offer us is a complete package, > including the 330 Ac kW gen set, all tied up with a > nicely integrated NI thermal kW and Ac kW control system. > That would be nice. When Rossi is ready to offer the > system to us, we are ready to evaluate his offering. Do

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread David Roberson
This is an interesting discussion but I have one question. The reference you mentioned suggests that the process of down conversion is extraordinarily inefficient and that the probability of a gamma being down converted is virtually nil. Did I misunderstand this for some reason? Is the proce

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[Vo]:Energy teleportation in an entangled system.

2011-12-26 Thread Axil Axil
Energy teleportation in an entangled system. The following references explains that the extreame amount of nuclear energy derived from the cold fusion of a cooper pair of protons into the nickel nucleus is teleported far from the nickel lattice and widely dispersed in the hydrogen envelope of the N

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I take you do not read what I have written on this subject? We were ready to do a deal for the 1 MW thermal plant but Rossi suggested we wait as he is not ready to sell us a high temp thermal oil 1 MW E-Cat plant. Why? Because the plant is still in R&D and the necessary technical specifications

[Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread Axil Axil
Some insights from quantum mechanics… Spontaneous parametric down-conversion Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_parametric_down-conversion The rule that comes out of this quantum mechanical process is that energy is shared approximately equally between N entangled particles wit

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
That is the plan. With the help of Jed's archives, other private emails, the loan cell supplier and our local uni, we are confident to produce a simple FPE demo device that can be supplied to a wide market. AG On 12/26/2011 5:13 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: ...The history of demo cells in CF is ve