Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-15 Thread Gavin Lei
Yeah, i downloaded Eclipse classic (eclipse-SDK-3.7.1-win32), eclipse-java-indigo-SR1-win32 and eclipse-jee-indigo-SR1-win32 today, confirmed that both Eclipse Java and JEE have XML editor installed already. So we can call Eclipse Java as a minimum. Thank you for your remind, Thiago. If user is u

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-15 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:29:38 -0200, Dmitry Gusev wrote: Looks good to me. And I also think that its not worth it to support Eclipse Classic for TapestryTools. Eclipse Classic is based on Eclipse 3.3. Too old. Notice the xml_ui plugin in Eclipse for Java Developers 3.7: http://www.eclipse.

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-15 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:14:34 -0200, Gavin Lei wrote: Hi All, Hi! As Eclipse classic does not include XML editor, it will require Eclipse for JEE developers as a minimum. I don't think this is correct. As far as I can remember, since 3.5 or 3.6 the smallest Eclipse for Java does ship w

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-15 Thread Giulio Micali
2012/2/15 Gavin Lei > Hi Giulio, > > I am finding solution to support Tapestry custom components besides > standard components in XML editor, and i believe we can do it. > > But for the css and html things, no, we will not add html/css schemas > support in XML editor, it is complex and unnecessar

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-15 Thread Gavin Lei
Hi Giulio, I am finding solution to support Tapestry custom components besides standard components in XML editor, and i believe we can do it. But for the css and html things, no, we will not add html/css schemas support in XML editor, it is complex and unnecessary. As i mentioned, we will concent

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-15 Thread Giulio Micali
Well, the eclipse classic is faster for sure, but i think we are all used to the eclipse JEE slowness :) I know nothing about eclipse development but...if you use the XML editor as base, in a common page I think you will have the schema only for standard tapestry components...am I right ? Example

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-14 Thread Dmitry Gusev
Looks good to me. And I also think that its not worth it to support Eclipse Classic for TapestryTools. One note on this though: Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other > includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic. You shouldn't include XML editor to your update s

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-14 Thread Gavin Lei
Hi All, In our coming light-weight TapestryTools, If we want to supply autocomplete features, we must implement it in some special tml editor (In current version TapestryTools,we use WTP's jsp editor). Now, we want to remove Eclipse WTP dependencies, should find some other exist editors. After tal

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-08 Thread Gavin Lei
Yeah, we can supply a muli-tabs editor for *.tml, in will include at least *.java tab and *.tml tab. Even more tabs ? I will go deep into the solution and discuss, and make a decision in the future. I will try to supply any useful features for Tapestry development 2012/2/8 trsvax : > I did mean o

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-08 Thread Gavin Lei
Hi Thiago, If we want to supply autocomplete feature, it depend users' *.tml editor. If user use XML editor to edit *.tml file, we should expand XML editor to supply this autocomplete feature. If user use WTP html editor to edit *.tml file, we should expand WTP html editor. XML editor is Eclipse'

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-08 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Hi, Gavin! On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:43:51 -0200, Gavin Lei wrote: Yeah, html/css autocomplete feature is supplies by WTP, not TapestryTools. If TapestryTools work without WTP, it will lost this feature. But we can still supply Tapestry 5 built-in and custom components autocomplete feature, work

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-08 Thread trsvax
I did mean one window with multiple tabs. I'm not sure how the tabs are implemented but I've seen a few plugging that use them. M2Eclipse does and I've also used IBM products that do. I'm guessing you can run regular editors in them because the maven one appears to have an XML editor. You may be

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-07 Thread Gavin Lei
Hi, You mean we should supply a muti-page editor, which open *.tml and corresponding *.java file in the same window, right ? This is a good idea, i will consider this solution. You said "The tabs could include tml, java, properties, event handlers, services etc", in fact, i am not very clear abou

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-07 Thread Gavin Lei
Hi Giulio, Thank you for your advises, see the commends below 2012/2/8 Giulio Micali : > Like many people here, my advice is the lightweight one. > From my user experience, the "graphical editor" can be really cool to see > (not only in tapestry, also in JSF and before in JSP or swing/awt ecc...)

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-07 Thread Lenny Primak
I am sure that code can be reused somehow without triggering this dependency. On Feb 7, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Giulio Micali wrote: > Like many people here, my advice is the lightweight one. >> From my user experience, the "graphical editor" can be really cool to see > (not only in tapestry, also

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-07 Thread trsvax
I'd vote for a lightweight one also. In fact if I could click on a java or tml file and end up with a window something like the Maven Pom editor I'd be happy. The tabs could include tml, java, properties, event handlers, services etc. Auto complete in the tml file might be nice but I'd say just hav

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-07 Thread Giulio Micali
Like many people here, my advice is the lightweight one. >From my user experience, the "graphical editor" can be really cool to see (not only in tapestry, also in JSF and before in JSP or swing/awt ecc...), but is useful only at the beginning of the project and damaging since then until end of time

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-07 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:07:22 -0200, Lenny Primak wrote: WTP is a bloated POS anyway. Completely agree that TapestryTools should not be dependent on it. I also can't use it because I keep my plugins up-to-date and not dare re-installing it as well. Agreed 100% with this and the lightweig

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-07 Thread Gavin Lei
Hi Dmitry, Thank you for your feedback. I will go deep into the T5 Component References things, if possible, i will merge it into TapestryTools as a new feature. Last year, Igor talked with me about moving TapestryTools to GitHub, due to bad internet service in China, it is hard for me to link to

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-06 Thread Borut Bolcina
+1 for the light version The IDEA IDE is the way to follow. It has all the features you are mentioning for the light version, but it is not free. The autocomplete feature is so much useful that we already bought one licence becouse it speeds up the tapestry web apps development significantly.

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-06 Thread Dmitry Gusev
Hi, Gavin! It would also be great if there will be integration with T5 Component References: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5.1/tapestry-core/ref/ There's a JavaDoc view in Eclipse, may be its possible to show related reference page in there when you're in tml editor? Also it would be nice to

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-06 Thread Lenny Primak
WTP is a bloated POS anyway. Completely agree that TapestryTools should not be dependent on it. I also can't use it because I keep my plugins up-to-date and not dare re-installing it as well. On Feb 7, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote: > 2012/2/6 Gavin Lei : >> After discussion with my

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-06 Thread Kalle Korhonen
2012/2/6 Gavin Lei : > After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there > are two ways for TapestryTools to go: > 1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it > 2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5 > features, and it can run without WTP

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-06 Thread Gavin Lei
Hi All, After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there are two ways for TapestryTools to go: 1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it 2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5 features, and it can run without WTP Solution 1 will make T

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-05 Thread Gavin Lei
Thank you for your help, Mark, i will keep improving it 在 2012年2月6日 上午11:56,Mark 写道: > I agree that the ability to switch between .tml and .java would be > extremely useful. Right now issue 13 is keeping me from using it. > > There used to be a plugin that only helped with this switch called > lo

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-05 Thread Mark
I agree that the ability to switch between .tml and .java would be extremely useful. Right now issue 13 is keeping me from using it. There used to be a plugin that only helped with this switch called loom-t5, but the update site for that appears to be offline. As far as a wish list, have you ever

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-05 Thread gavingui
hi Giulio, thank you for your feedback, I will fix issues and add much new features for TaperstyTool this year, so I will fix this problem very soon. Now I am collecting new features for it, if you are really interested in it,you can tell me what do you want. 发自我的 iPad 在 2012-2-5,上午12:15,Giuli

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-04 Thread Giulio Micali
Hi Gavin ! I'm currently using your plugin: only the CTRL+R feature indeed, but it's REALLY useful. but... I've posted a solution for the issue (13) in that feature and after several months...nothing, not even a post like "I will check that". I thought that the project has ended, and I'm happy t

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-03 Thread Chris Mylonas
Hi Gavin, Great project thus far!! A tool like that within eclipse will certainly get more people looking at tapestry as a framework to use. I initially thought Dmitry's comment was a little harsh and that he was being a bit fussy requesting the installation through Help->Install New Software

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-03 Thread Gavin Lei
Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its version depend things to simpli

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

2012-02-03 Thread Dmitry Gusev
Hi, Gavin! Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE installation through the Help -> Install New Software I wish this will be resolved in future releases. 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei > Hi all, > >