Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-04-16 Thread Markus Feindler
Howard may be forgiven :) Howard is stuck in London due to Volcano. Never thought that'd be my status. Howard is also jet-lagged, exhausted and sick. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Markus Feindler wrote: So?? Howard? So a community-driven documentation effort is out of the questi

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-04-16 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
Howard is stuck in London due to Volcano. Never thought that'd be my status. Howard is also jet-lagged, exhausted and sick. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Markus Feindler wrote: > So?? Howard? >>> >>> So a community-driven documentation effort is out of the question unless >>> we >>> come up

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-04-16 Thread Markus Feindler
So?? Howard? So a community-driven documentation effort is out of the question unless we come up with a system or procedure that complies with ASF rules. We could just require to sign a CLA for people that want to help out with documentation. This would mean to give rights to modifiy/creat

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-24 Thread Piero Sartini
> So a community-driven documentation effort is out of the question unless we > come up with a system or procedure that complies with ASF rules. We could just require to sign a CLA for people that want to help out with documentation. This would mean to give rights to modifiy/create only to people

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-24 Thread Markus Feindler
What about developing such a system in Tapestry, document the code and use it as a guide? Two birds with one stone. > > Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:46:30 +0100 > Von: "Ulrich Stärk" > An: Tapestry users > Betref

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-24 Thread Ulrich Stärk
Unfortunately, ASF procedures require every contribution to be made porpuseful and record of this purpose has to be kept. In practice that means that every contribution to the project, even documentation, has to be made by someone who either signed a contributor license agreement (CLA) or (in ca

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-24 Thread Inge Solvoll
to this e-mail. > > - Original Message - > From: "Geoff Callender" > To: "Tapestry users" > Sent: Wednesday, 24 March, 2010 05:13:22 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, > Bucharest, Istanbul > Subject: Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion > > I agree

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-23 Thread Peter Stavrinides
ender" To: "Tapestry users" Sent: Wednesday, 24 March, 2010 05:13:22 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul Subject: Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion I agree too. Users of anything usually need both a Guide and a Reference. To me, the Tapestry documentation is much more

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-23 Thread Geoff Callender
I agree too. Users of anything usually need both a Guide and a Reference. To me, the Tapestry documentation is much more of a Reference than a Guide, and that makes it a source of immense frustration to newbies and the experienced alike. Here's what I mean: A User Reference is usually organised

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-23 Thread Erick Erickson
I'll second Michael's statement, the documentation may exist but you don't even know it's there unless you already know it's there. Tribal knowledge and all that. Sometimes Google even gets me there. But the T5 website is NOT my first choice exactly because of its organization, and it *should* be

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Gentry
Most new users don't know where in the JavaDoc to begin looking. I wasn't suggesting there was no JavaDoc, but I don't consider it to be the main starting point for a new user (needle in a haystack). It is something for more advanced users. As for: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5.1/tapestry

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-23 Thread Inge Solvoll
You're right about the information being technically available, but to newbies it isn't. I absolutely love the idea of a page that presents a "best of" list of services, with hands-on examples and simple explanations. For me, T5 is all about common patterns. I always use RenderSupport for doing ex

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-23 Thread Ulrich Stärk
I guess we can kill two birds with one stone here. There is the lack of an annotation telling the user which services are there just for consumption and which are to be overriden with a user-supplied implementation. Having such an annotation (or two) would make it easy to just scan the packages

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-22 Thread Igor Drobiazko
Why is the javadoc insufficient? All the services are located in few packages depending on the module they were created. Some of them are: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5.1/apidocs/org/apache/tapestry5/ioc/services/package-frame.html http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5.1/apidocs/org/apache/t

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Gentry
Created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1070 I'm not sure if what I meant by Injectables makes sense, but basically I meant all things supplied by T5 that you can @Inject (such as ComponentResources). I had been using T5 for 2-3 months and had no idea ComponentResources even existed a

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-22 Thread Geoff Callender
+1 On 23/03/2010, at 7:11 AM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:48:31 -0300, Michael Gentry > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, > > Hi! > > For annotations, > >> All I'm imagining here is a table for each that lists all of the >> annotations and injectables that ship w

Re: Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-22 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:48:31 -0300, Michael Gentry wrote: Hello everyone, Hi! For annotations, All I'm imagining here is a table for each that lists all of the annotations and injectables that ship with Tapestry, a short description as to what they do, and perhaps links to examples/detai

Documentation Request/Suggestion

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Gentry
Hello everyone, I've been working with some developers who were new to Tapestry 5 (and I had only worked with it a few months before them). One thing that has come out of that process is I think it would be nice for new and even experienced users to have a couple more reference pages in the docum