Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-11 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Robert Menschel wrote: Hello Daryl, Thursday, March 10, 2005, 5:51:26 PM, you wrote: DCWOS> Whatever your favourite way of retrieving DNS records is, will work. DCWOS> On Windows you could use nslookup, at a command prompt: ... Thanks. That's a good start. Now, how will I know when a domain has a

Re[2]: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Daryl, Thursday, March 10, 2005, 5:51:26 PM, you wrote: DCWOS> Robert Menschel wrote: >> And that leads to the second question: what's the best way for an "end >> user" to obtain/verify SPF records? I have all the capabilities of XP >> (shudder) and Cygwin readily available, and can get Lin

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-11 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Robert Menschel wrote: And that leads to the second question: what's the best way for an "end user" to obtain/verify SPF records? I have all the capabilities of XP (shudder) and Cygwin readily available, and can get Linux command-line capabilities via SSH to SARE's server, I believe. Whatever your

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-10 Thread Jeff Chan
On Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:20:10 PM, Robert Menschel wrote: > Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 8:44:43 PM, Daryl wrote: >>> Assumption: This activity will focus only on public newsletters, >>> services, etc., which normally do not contain any private >>> information. Therefore there will not be any pri

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-10 Thread Jeff Chan
On Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:20:49 PM, Robert Menschel wrote: > Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 1:00:33 AM, Jeff Chan wrote: >>> Goal: There are public newsletters, services, etc., which a) do not >>> spam, and b) can easily be mistaken as spam by SpamAssassin for a >>> variety of reasons (overly aggr

Re[2]: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-10 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Daryl, [BTW, thanks to you and others for the direct response/cc in addition to the list posting. I get the list by digest, and so list-only responses don't get to me until the digest is released.] Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:55:50 PM, you wrote: >> DCWOS> Don't forget about the new whitel

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-10 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Robert Menschel wrote: Hello Daryl, Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 8:44:43 PM, you wrote: DCWOS> Robert Menschel wrote: DCWOS> Summary: A group of volunteers will maintain a collected/distributed whitelist, using SpamAssassin's whitelist_from_rcvd capabilities, similar to (but in the opposite direction a

Re[2]: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-10 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Chris, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 7:30:20 AM, you wrote: >>Summary: A group of volunteers will maintain a collected/distributed >>whitelist, using SpamAssassin's whitelist_from_rcvd capabilities, >>similar to (but in the opposite direction as) William Stearns' >>collected/distributed blackli

Re[2]: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-10 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Jeff, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 1:00:33 AM, you wrote: >> Goal: There are public newsletters, services, etc., which a) do not >> spam, and b) can easily be mistaken as spam by SpamAssassin for a >> variety of reasons (overly aggressive custom rules, wrongly taught >> Bayes system, paid adve

Re[2]: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-10 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Daryl, Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 8:44:43 PM, you wrote: DCWOS> Robert Menschel wrote: DCWOS> >> Summary: A group of volunteers will maintain a collected/distributed >> whitelist, using SpamAssassin's whitelist_from_rcvd capabilities, >> similar to (but in the opposite direction as) William

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Kelson wrote: Chris Santerre wrote: Second, I believe SPF records can be spoofed Only to the extent that any DNS record can be spoofed. use in a disposibal manner. In the sense that you can create any SPF entry you want... for your own domain. I could set one up with "+all" indicating that mail

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Kelson
Chris Santerre wrote: Second, I believe SPF records can be spoofed Only to the extent that any DNS record can be spoofed. use in a disposibal manner. In the sense that you can create any SPF entry you want... for your own domain. I could set one up with "+all" indicating that mail sent via any s

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Chris Santerre wrote: -Original Message- From: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:04 AM To: Chris Santerre Cc: 'Robert Menschel'; users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Whitelist collection project How do you propose that whit

RE: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:04 AM >To: Chris Santerre >Cc: 'Robert Menschel'; users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Re: Whitelist collection project > > >Chris

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 08:08:36AM -0800, Jeff Chan wrote: > That should be safe, and we could probably still use them to > limited effect in SURBLs to keep those domains off SURBLs. It could also be used to generate default uridnsbl_skip_domain entries as well. ;) Including the domains in spams

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 8:03:49 AM, Daryl O'Shea wrote: > Chris Santerre wrote: >> This might just be the first time I disagree with you Bob ;) >> >> I don't see how this ruleset will not get abused. If I was a spammer I would >> make sure all my spam hit these rules to let me in. >> >> As

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Chris Santerre wrote: This might just be the first time I disagree with you Bob ;) I don't see how this ruleset will not get abused. If I was a spammer I would make sure all my spam hit these rules to let me in. As a research tool it is great! Already the SURBL whitelist is one of the best arou

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 7:30:20 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: > I don't see how this ruleset will not get abused. If I was a spammer I would > make sure all my spam hit these rules to let me in. > As a research tool it is great! Already the SURBL whitelist is one of the > best around thanks to J

RE: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Robert Menschel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:13 PM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Whitelist collection project > > >OK, based on what little discussion there's been so far, here'

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 8:13:05 PM, Robert Menschel wrote: > OK, based on what little discussion there's been so far, here's a > draft proposal for people to think about. > Summary: A group of volunteers will maintain a collected/distributed > whitelist, using SpamAssassin's whitelist_from_rcvd

Re: Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Robert Menschel wrote: OK, based on what little discussion there's been so far, here's a draft proposal for people to think about. Summary: A group of volunteers will maintain a collected/distributed whitelist, using SpamAssassin's whitelist_from_rcvd capabilities, similar to (but in the opposite

Whitelist collection project

2005-03-09 Thread Robert Menschel
OK, based on what little discussion there's been so far, here's a draft proposal for people to think about. Summary: A group of volunteers will maintain a collected/distributed whitelist, using SpamAssassin's whitelist_from_rcvd capabilities, similar to (but in the opposite direction as) William S