Habeas headers (was Re: Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam])

2009-07-20 Thread J.D. Falk
Michelle Konzack wrote: HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI& SOI have nothing to do with Habeas headers in an email. The two are entirely distinct and (almost certainly) bear no correlation with each other since I'd be shocked if anyone on either of those lists included the headers. If the Enterprise has n

Re: Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam]

2009-07-20 Thread J.D. Falk
Robert wrote: the thing is, the SA community and the world at large should not be your free customer compliance labor force. Of course not! The SA community isn't part of the formal compliance process at all; there are automated processes running 24x7, and an human enforcement team investig

RE: Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam]

2009-07-18 Thread Robert
> > > obviously you weren't reading this mailing list several years > ago, when several of the SA committers, myself included, used > the Habeas headers in their personal mail... > > --j. > > justin what does this mean? e what are you directing us to see and know? tia - rh

Re: Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam]

2009-07-18 Thread Justin Mason
> If my system detect any HABEAS stuff, I score it with 10.00 and the spam > is gone.  I have moved a very long time (arround 2 years)  the  messages > to a seperated folder and had not a singel False-Positive. > obviously you weren't reading this mailing list several years ago, when several of t

Re: Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam]

2009-07-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Good morning Derek, Am 2009-07-17 13:12:12, schrieb Derek Harding: > I don't get why you'd search for spammers including headers that have > not been in actual use for many years and conflate those results with a > DNS whitelist that is currently being maintained. > > HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI & SO

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-17 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 14:41 -0600, Neil Schwartzman wrote: > > > On 17/07/09 4:03 PM, "Neil Schwartzman" > wrote: > > > Your assertion that we encountered a block and then switched to a new IP > > netblock is preposterous. We have several ranges and mail streams. You opted > > in and then opted

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-17 Thread Neil Schwartzman
On 17/07/09 4:03 PM, "Neil Schwartzman" wrote: > Your assertion that we encountered a block and then switched to a new IP > netblock is preposterous. We have several ranges and mail streams. You opted > in and then opted out. OK, in what timeframe? Minutes? Hours? The proscribed > 10-day CANSP

Re: Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam]

2009-07-17 Thread Derek Harding
LuKreme wrote: In my mailspool they are a spam indicator and I have them scored as such: score HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI 1.0 score HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI 1.5 It's very simple, Habeas headers are a fairly strong indicator of spam in my mail spool. I search all the mail for habeas headers and it sh

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-17 Thread Neil Schwartzman
On 17/07/09 3:32 PM, "rich...@buzzhost.co.uk" wrote: > I have (as usual) a different view. Being told how wonderful they were I > thought it would be a blast to opt-in, then opt out again. On opting out > I found I was mailed again by RP. So I blocked the range. They found > another range and spa

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-17 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 03:25 -0700, twofers wrote: > Neil Rocks ! > > Thanks Neil. > > Wes > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Neil Schwartzman > wrote: > > > From: Neil Schwartzman > Subject: Re: Opt In Spam > To: "twofers

RE: Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam]

2009-07-17 Thread Robert
Neil it appears that you and your organization are taking an excellent proactive stance and work ethic against spam and UCE etc... and you should be commended for that. the thing is, the SA community and the world at large should not be your free customer compliance labor force. we should be

Re: Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam]

2009-07-17 Thread LuKreme
On 17-Jul-2009, at 06:24, Neil Schwartzman wrote: On 16/07/09 11:39 AM, "LuKreme" wrote: * -4.3 HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI RBL: Habeas Accredited Opt-In or Better * [66.59.8.161 listed in sa-accredit.habeas.com] If you search for HABEAS_ACCREDITED you will find that a LOT of

Return Path Safe whitelist UPDATE [was: Opt In Spam]

2009-07-17 Thread Neil Schwartzman
On 16/07/09 11:39 AM, "LuKreme" wrote: >> * -4.3 HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI RBL: Habeas Accredited Opt-In >> or Better >> * [66.59.8.161 listed in sa-accredit.habeas.com] > > > If you search for HABEAS_ACCREDITED you will find that a LOT of admins > either drop these scores to v

Opt In Spam

2009-07-17 Thread twofers
Neil Rocks !   Thanks Neil.   Wes --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Neil Schwartzman wrote: From: Neil Schwartzman Subject: Re: Opt In Spam To: "twofers" , "Spamassassin" Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 1:29 PM FOLLOW-UP: A process was hung on one of the 20 hives serving the whi

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-16 Thread Neil Schwartzman
FOLLOW-UP: A process was hung on one of the 20 hives serving the whitelists and reported this IP as being listed. We've restarted the process and it is no longer reporting incorrectly. On 16/07/09 8:05 AM, "Neil Schwartzman" wrote: Now, I am aware that we recently changed the DNS hives serving

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-16 Thread LuKreme
On 16-Jul-2009, at 05:38, twofers wrote: * -4.3 HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI RBL: Habeas Accredited Opt-In or Better * [66.59.8.161 listed in sa-accredit.habeas.com] If you search for HABEAS_ACCREDITED you will find that a LOT of admins either drop these scores to very low nu

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-16 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 07:55 -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: > Have you reported the abuse to mailto:habeas@abuse.net, as Neil > Schwartzman from Return Path (operators of Habeas) requested last time? > > Just posting to the sa-users list isn't really going to do very much. Have to agree (it's nice

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-16 Thread Neil Schwartzman
On 16/07/09 7:38 AM, "twofers" wrote: > And yet another SPAM from these opt-in guys. SINGLE opt-in (SOI). > I believe this group are nothing but covert Spammers abusing a privilage > afforded them. Which group? E Z Publishing? They are neither covert, nor spammers. They are an ESP. As suc

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-16 Thread Matt Kettler
Have you reported the abuse to mailto:habeas@abuse.net, as Neil Schwartzman from Return Path (operators of Habeas) requested last time? Just posting to the sa-users list isn't really going to do very much. If there are pervasive FP problems, it will show up in the mass-checks and we'll drop th

Re: Opt In Spam

2009-07-16 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 04:38 -0700, twofers wrote: > 66.59.8.161 TRY: OrgAbuseEmail: ab...@streamsend.com

Opt In Spam

2009-07-16 Thread twofers
And yet another SPAM from these opt-in guys.   I believe this group are nothing but covert Spammers abusing a privilage afforded them.   I receive these spams at two separate email addresses, both I use exclusively for my business, there is no way I'd use these addresses as an opt-in for anythin