Re: Misguided energy (was Re: Do we need a new SMTP protocol? (OT))

2010-12-07 Thread jdow
Sorry bubbie, send me a challenge and you go into the evil list, which tends to be a permanent /dev/null redirect. This is iron clad on a mailing list. Direct I may or may not consign. C/R is plain evil as I have encountered it in the past. On mailing lists it's beyond evil as it generates challen

Re: Misguided energy (was Re: Do we need a new SMTP protocol? (OT))

2010-12-04 Thread RW
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:08:36 + RW wrote: > On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:44:37 +0100 > Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: > > > > C/R is only means to make it move your own effort over to others. > > > > The really "interesting" case is if both sides choose to require C/R > > to get the first mail delivere

Re: Misguided energy (was Re: Do we need a new SMTP protocol? (OT))

2010-12-04 Thread RW
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:44:37 +0100 Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: > C/R is only means to make it move your own effort over to others. > > The really "interesting" case is if both sides choose to require C/R > to get the first mail delivered. > Which should be a clear sign to everyone that C/R is basi

Re: Misguided energy (was Re: Do we need a new SMTP protocol? (OT))

2010-12-04 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
On Mit, 2010-12-01 at 16:17 -0500, David F. Skoll wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:02:03 -0500 > Michael Grant wrote: > > > The main problem with this approach is how does > > someone send you mail if they're not on your contact list? I don't > > have any magic answers how to solve that beyond wh

Re: Misguided energy

2010-12-02 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 12/1/10 10:37 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 20:38 -0500, Michael Scheidell wrote: On 12/1/10 7:02 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Personally, I have *never* received a legit C/R. Every single one that ended up on my machines have been in response to spam sent with a for

Re: Misguided energy

2010-12-02 Thread John Wilcock
Le 02/12/2010 11:47, Martin Gregorie a écrit : On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 08:28 +0100, John Wilcock wrote: I wish I could say the same - at work we have at least a dozen clients who use challenge/response, and when it's for business you can't just ignore the challenges, let alone blacklist your clien

Re: Misguided energy

2010-12-02 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 08:28 +0100, John Wilcock wrote: > I wish I could say the same - at work we have at least a dozen clients > who use challenge/response, and when it's for business you can't just > ignore the challenges, let alone blacklist your clients. > It seems to me that if a business o

Re: Misguided energy

2010-12-02 Thread hamann . w
Karsten Bräckelmann schrieb: > Personally, I have *never* received a legit C/R. Every single one that > ended up on my machines have been in response to spam sent with a forged > sender address. I see some C/R when machines are stuck talking to each other :( Someone signs up for a newsletter, or o

Re: Misguided energy

2010-12-01 Thread John Wilcock
Le 02/12/2010 01:02, Karsten Bräckelmann a écrit : Personally, I have *never* received a legit C/R. Every single one that ended up on my machines have been in response to spam sent with a forged sender address. I wish I could say the same - at work we have at least a dozen clients who use chal

Re: Misguided energy

2010-12-01 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 20:38 -0500, Michael Scheidell wrote: > On 12/1/10 7:02 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > Personally, I have *never* received a legit C/R. Every single one that > > ended up on my machines have been in response to spam sent with a forged > > sender address. > > I had a legit

Re: Misguided energy

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 12/1/10 7:02 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Personally, I have*never* received a legit C/R. Every single one that ended up on my machines have been in response to spam sent with a forged sender address. I had a legit one. I was stupid enough to answer a question on this list directly to a

Re: Misguided energy

2010-12-01 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 16:17 -0500, David F. Skoll wrote: > Challenge-Response systems are evil. I never reply to challenges and I > typically blacklist systems that send them. Personally, I have *never* received a legit C/R. Every single one that ended up on my machines have been in response to s

Misguided energy (was Re: Do we need a new SMTP protocol? (OT))

2010-12-01 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:02:03 -0500 Michael Grant wrote: > The main problem with this approach is how does > someone send you mail if they're not on your contact list? I don't > have any magic answers how to solve that beyond what's already out > there as in return messages with captchas in them o