Re: French rules

2011-12-09 Thread John GALLET
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, LEVEAU Stanislas wrote: Hi I am looking for French rules with sa-update? I wrote a few some years/months ago and since the feedback was "this is too aggressive" (well, "it works for me"(tm)...) I did not go any further. I do not know where the &q

Re: French rules

2011-12-09 Thread LEVEAU Stanislas
Several of your remarks are not interesting. You spam the list! You do not have to stay on the list Thanks Le 09/12/2011 18:37, Walter Hurry a écrit : On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 18:29:04 +0100, Axb wrote: On 2011-12-09 18:25, John Hardin wrote: On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Axb wrote: If someone can provi

Re: French rules

2011-12-09 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Italian ham is the best. Mmm, prosciutto! Boo... Can anyone tell me how to block Walter's bad jokes ;-)

Re: French rules

2011-12-09 Thread Walter Hurry
On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 18:29:04 +0100, Axb wrote: > On 2011-12-09 18:25, John Hardin wrote: >> On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Axb wrote: >> >>> If someone can provide a french spam feed I'd be willing to autocreate >>> SOUGHT_like rules. >> >> ..._AND_ French ham. Both are needed... > > I have french ham, but

Re: French rules

2011-12-09 Thread Axb
On 2011-12-09 18:25, John Hardin wrote: On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Axb wrote: If someone can provide a french spam feed I'd be willing to autocreate SOUGHT_like rules. ..._AND_ French ham. Both are needed... I have french ham, but very little spam

Re: French rules

2011-12-09 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Axb wrote: If someone can provide a french spam feed I'd be willing to autocreate SOUGHT_like rules. ..._AND_ French ham. Both are needed... -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar..

Re: French rules

2011-12-09 Thread Axb
On 2011-12-09 0:51, LEVEAU Stanislas wrote: Hi I am looking for French rules with sa-update? Does it exist? Regards Stan If someone can provide a french spam feed I'd be willing to autocreate SOUGHT_like rules. Someone else would have to provide the sa-update DNS foo & downl

Re: French rules

2011-12-09 Thread LEVEAU Stanislas
yes I know but the rules are obsolete Thanks regards Le 09/12/2011 02:33, dar...@chaosreigns.com a écrit : On 12/09, LEVEAU Stanislas wrote: I am looking for French rules with sa-update? Does it exist? http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CustomRulesets includes "French Rules&

Re: French rules

2011-12-08 Thread Adam Katz
On 12/08/2011 03:51 PM, LEVEAU Stanislas wrote: > I am looking for French rules with sa-update? > Does it exist? Most of the body rules in previous versions of SpamAssassin were phased out because the Bayesian filter does a *significantly* better job at that sort of thing. The few that

Re: French rules

2011-12-08 Thread darxus
On 12/09, LEVEAU Stanislas wrote: >I am looking for French rules with sa-update? >Does it exist? http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CustomRulesets includes "French Rules", but its status is listed as "defunct". -- "Life is either a daring adventure or

French rules

2011-12-08 Thread LEVEAU Stanislas
Hi I am looking for French rules with sa-update? Does it exist? Regards Stan

Re: seekrules over French spam (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-27 Thread mouss
John GALLET wrote: Re, Anyway, these are the patterns I tried to code in FR_SPAMISLEGAL and FR_HOWTOUNSUBSCRIBE, plus one I considered too generic (if you can't read this mail in html, click here). It might be worth collecting more ham that includes any such common text -- or even _generating

Re: seekrules over French spam (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread Justin Mason
John Wilcock writes: > Justin Mason a écrit : > > John GALLET writes: > >> Well, thanks for writing it. I think its main weak point for French and > >> other accented languages is handling the different encodings for a same > >> char with an accent, some kind of "synonyms" list. The same letter,

Re: seekrules over French spam (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread John Wilcock
Justin Mason a écrit : John GALLET writes: Well, thanks for writing it. I think its main weak point for French and other accented languages is handling the different encodings for a same char with an accent, some kind of "synonyms" list. The same letter, say "a with an accent", can be misspell

Re: seekrules over French spam (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread Justin Mason
John GALLET writes: > Re, > > >> Anyway, these are the patterns I tried to code in FR_SPAMISLEGAL and > >> FR_HOWTOUNSUBSCRIBE, plus one I considered too generic (if you can't > >> read this mail in html, click here). > > > > It might be worth collecting more ham that includes any such common > >

Re: seekrules over French spam (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread John GALLET
Re, Anyway, these are the patterns I tried to code in FR_SPAMISLEGAL and FR_HOWTOUNSUBSCRIBE, plus one I considered too generic (if you can't read this mail in html, click here). It might be worth collecting more ham that includes any such common text -- or even _generating_ mails along those

Re: seekrules over French spam (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread Justin Mason
John GALLET writes: > Hi, > > > You run "seek-phrases-in-corpus" over the 2 corpora, and it'll spit out > > the patterns; you can then write rules based on these. > > I did so, the results are interesting, though I do not really know where > to go from there. If I take the first 50 "best" patte

Re: Philosophy for opt-in (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread John Wilcock
John GALLET a écrit : I think I have a newbye simple problem of philosophy/strategy: my approach, for what it's worth, was that I flag anything that contains some unsubscribe links and French law reminders because anyway all the ones I receive are spam, and I add the opt-in mailing/newsletter I

Philosophy for opt-in (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread John GALLET
Hi, If these are hit rates with a very minimal daily corpus, don't know if the present ruleset is ready for production unless you have 0 tolerance for any bulk, period I'm afraid I must agree. I don't have a confirmed and sorted corpus per se, but after a single night's live testing with ver

Re: hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Dienstag, 24. Juni 2008 John Wilcock wrote: > with just a bit of fine tuning I guess John Gallet needs a bigger corpus, maybe you could share some ham/spam with him. He does the work to create the rules, and with better corpus the rules will become better. I know this, I maintain the GERMAN

Re: hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-24 Thread John Wilcock
Yet Another Ninja a écrit : If these are hit rates with a very minimal daily corpus, don't know if the present ruleset is ready for production unless you have 0 tolerance for any bulk, period I'm afraid I must agree. I don't have a confirmed and sorted corpus per se, but after a single night'

Re: hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-23 Thread John GALLET
Re, I excluded the last two rules from my masscheck to avoid FPs as these ESPs/X-Mailers are definitely grey, "import rcpt list and blast" sort of ESPs not black for global use. If you can point me to some more information on how to do that, on-list or off-list, I am interested. I am new to

seekrules over French spam (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-23 Thread John GALLET
Hi, You run "seek-phrases-in-corpus" over the 2 corpora, and it'll spit out the patterns; you can then write rules based on these. I did so, the results are interesting, though I do not really know where to go from there. If I take the first 50 "best" patterns and strip off the obvious stand

Re: hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-23 Thread Yet Another Ninja
On 6/23/2008 4:36 PM, John GALLET wrote: Hi, First of all, thanks to Justin for patiently helping me to install mass-check and pointing me in the right direction. I will try to run the algorithms tonight to see what they come up with. In the meantime, you can find a hit-frequencies report at

Re: hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-23 Thread John GALLET
Thanks for taking this burden upon yourself. One other thing you should be prepared to do, if you're willing to devote long-term responsibility to these rules, is to provide sa-update-compatible feeds of your dynamic rules. This is another thing that Justin can probably help you with. I am hap

Re: hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-23 Thread John GALLET
Re, Looking at the rules, I'm worried about false positives on genuine opt-in advertising. I have a number of users who choose to receive all kinds of advertising blurb, This is one of the reasons why I did not hunt for "click here" and "if you can't see this email in html". Now correct me i

Re: hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-23 Thread John Wilcock
John GALLET a écrit : Any feedback on the results (not enough in corpus, bad rules, good rules, etc.) appreciated. Looking at the rules, I'm worried about false positives on genuine opt-in advertising. I have a number of users who choose to receive all kinds of advertising blurb, so I'll run

Re: hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-23 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, John GALLET wrote: First of all, thanks to Justin for patiently helping me to install mass-check and pointing me in the right direction. Applause for Justin! This is the sort of thing we need to see for many more specialized spam categories... I will try to run the alg

hit frequencies (was Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-23 Thread John GALLET
Hi, First of all, thanks to Justin for patiently helping me to install mass-check and pointing me in the right direction. I will try to run the algorithms tonight to see what they come up with. In the meantime, you can find a hit-frequencies report at: http://www.saphirtech.fr/spam/freqs_2008

Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-19 Thread Justin Mason
Giampaolo Tomassoni writes: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:49 PM > > To: Giampaolo Tomassoni > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; users@spamassassin.apache.org > > Subject:

RE: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-19 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:49 PM > To: Giampaolo Tomassoni > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules > > ...omissis... >

Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-19 Thread Justin Mason
Giampaolo Tomassoni writes: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:28 PM > > To: Giampaolo Tomassoni > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; users@spamassassin.apache.org > > Subject:

RE: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-19 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:28 PM > To: Giampaolo Tomassoni > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules > > >

Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-19 Thread Justin Mason
Giampaolo Tomassoni writes: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:10 PM > > To: John GALLET > > Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [Rule Set propos

RE: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-19 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:10 PM > To: John GALLET > Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules > > ...omissis... > > by the way, if you&

Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-19 Thread John GALLET
I still miss samples for two rules, even if I did had hits according to /var/spool/maillog I did not save them. I added a sample for the FR_NOTSPAM rule, and I removed the FR_YOURELUCKY rule as I see other forms of the text getting through so it is not efficient. On the other hand, nearly al

Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-18 Thread Justin Mason
ch and (no disrespect meant) I would agree with > the comments I read about the current French Ruleset being inadequate > (tried it, did not keep any of it). > > So I would like to propose a set for French Rules and get your feedback. by the way, if you're reasonably perl-cap

Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-17 Thread John GALLET
Hi, I was able to access the URL you mentioned, but not all of the files below it. I received: "Forbidden You don't have permission to access /spam/FR_PAYLESSTAXES.txt on this server." Sorry guys, only the ruleset file (the one I tried, of course) was readable, all the non empty spam samples

Re: [Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-17 Thread Big Wave Dave
org, there have been few > subjects about spam in French and (no disrespect meant) I would agree with > the comments I read about the current French Ruleset being inadequate (tried > it, did not keep any of it). > > So I would like to propose a set for French Rules and get your feedback. &

[Rule Set proposal] French Rules

2008-06-17 Thread John GALLET
comments I read about the current French Ruleset being inadequate (tried it, did not keep any of it). So I would like to propose a set for French Rules and get your feedback. You can find both the rules and some sample spam email messages (two of them missing, I have hits in my log files, but

Re: french rules

2007-04-28 Thread mouss
Anton Melser wrote: Hi, I have been looking for a set of rules that have been specially done for combating French spam (in particular content). I found those at http://maxime.ritter.eu.org, but they aren't official, and I was wondering whether people know about any others. last time I tried the

french rules

2007-04-25 Thread Anton Melser
Hi, I have been looking for a set of rules that have been specially done for combating French spam (in particular content). I found those at http://maxime.ritter.eu.org, but they aren't official, and I was wondering whether people know about any others. Cheers Anton