Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-06 Thread LuKreme
On 5-Aug-2009, at 02:15, a...@exys.org wrote: The point is that scores below 2 are never spam, Er... that's certainly not true. -- *** AgentSmith sets mode: +m

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-05 Thread RW
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:15:00 +0200 a...@exys.org wrote: > 2 to 5 is the sweetspot. That message in question actually proved it > is working, since the URIBL hits came later. Then it scores >10 so > it gets rejected. I noticed earlier that you were greylisting for only 60s; that seems like a fa

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-05 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 22:21 +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > turning off AWL and autolearn (optionally only when run at SMTP time) would > help you here. Although using such setup you loose much of advantages (like > AWL ;-) and especially personalising... > There are cases where AWL is a m

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
>> On 05.08.09 00:31, Martin Gregorie wrote: >>> If, for some (very) odd reason you run greylisting after SA then *of >>> course* your host has (a) seen the mail and (b) passed it through SA. >>> How else can the mail get to the greylister? >>> >>> Would you care to explain why you put a greylister

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-05 Thread Cedric Knight
a...@exys.org wrote: > exactly. The point is that scores below 2 are never spam, so i avoid > greylisting. Thats my whitelist (you usually need for greylisting) at > the same time, since i whitelist some hosts in SA. Interesting set-up, although I don't think it would be suitable for a high-volum

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-05 Thread aep
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 05.08.09 00:31, Martin Gregorie wrote: If, for some (very) odd reason you run greylisting after SA then *of course* your host has (a) seen the mail and (b) passed it through SA. How else can the mail get to the greylister? Would you care to explain why you pu

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 00:37 +0200, a...@exys.org wrote: > > Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > > On 04.08.09 20:09, a...@exys.org wrote: > > >> I have obviously never received any mail from that sender, so why does > > >> it hit? > > >> > > > in later mail you mention that you run SA before g

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 00:37 +0200, a...@exys.org wrote: > Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > On 04.08.09 20:09, a...@exys.org wrote: > >> I have obviously never received any mail from that sender, so why does > >> it hit? > >> > in later mail you mention that you run SA before greylisting.

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread aep
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 04.08.09 20:09, a...@exys.org wrote: See the below message parts (the complete message does not pass the MLs filter) Notably both bayes and AWL are wrong. while I understand why bayes might have done that, i dont understand what AWL is doing here. I have obv

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 04.08.09 20:09, a...@exys.org wrote: > See the below message parts > (the complete message does not pass the MLs filter) > Notably both bayes and AWL are wrong. > while I understand why bayes might have done that, i dont understand > what AWL is doing here. > I have obviously never received an

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread aep
Please do not quote me out of context. Sorry. didnt find an apropriate way to respond to two statements in one sentence. Again, the greylisting prior to receiving this spam is not the reason. SA, or more specifically AWL, does not know about that. It is. I forgot to mention i run SA pri

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 21:18 +0200, a...@exys.org wrote: > > (missing in your paste) > > the received header was not missing. just stripped. Please do not quote me out of context. I said "From: header address (missing in your paste)". Inserted in the quote below where you ripped it out. > > Thi

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 21:18 +0200, a...@exys.org wrote: > > This assumption is wrong. You did receive a message from the From: > > header address and the same originating > > net-block in the past. > > > > > Should I disable AWL, or can i > unlearn it? Apparently you previously (maybe not t

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread aep
> (missing in your paste) the received header was not missing. just stripped. Received: from host231.dhms-domainmanagement.net ([91.199.51.231]) This assumption is wrong. You did receive a message from the From: header address and the same originating net-block in the past. True I did

Re: Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 20:09 +0200, a...@exys.org wrote: > See the below message parts > (the complete message does not pass the MLs filter) > Notably both bayes and AWL are wrong. > while I understand why bayes might have done that, i dont understand > what AWL is doing here. > I have obviously n

Again AWL confusion

2009-08-04 Thread aep
See the below message parts (the complete message does not pass the MLs filter) Notably both bayes and AWL are wrong. while I understand why bayes might have done that, i dont understand what AWL is doing here. I have obviously never received any mail from that sender, so why does it hit? Ret