Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.03.2015 um 01:25 schrieb David F. Skoll: On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:08:34 -0600 "@lbutlr" wrote: You can reject who you want in Germany too, you just can___t delete a message that you___ve already accepted. What does "accepted" mean? Redirecting a message to /dev/null means you didn't acc

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Niamh Holding
Hello David, Thursday, March 26, 2015, 12:25:30 AM, you wrote: DFS> that a message is either delivered It is delivered to the appropriate place, it just happens that that place is /dev/null -- Best regards, Niamhmailto:ni...@fullbore.co.uk pgp63jipFQW2m.pgp Descr

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Niamh Holding
Hello Reindl, Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 7:39:56 PM, you wrote: RH> stop kidding or do you *really* pretend you never had a false positive? Not that scored highly enough to be dumped rather than put in a spam folder. -- Best regards, Niamhmailto:ni...@fullbore.co.

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:08:34 -0600 "@lbutlr" wrote: > There is a difference between ___block___ and ___silently discard___. > Blocking is fine, silently discarding is just evil and should be > illegal everywhere. Nonsense. Silently discarding is sometimes the only sensible thing to do. If you

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread @lbutlr
On 25 Mar 2015, at 06:34 , Nick Edwards wrote: > It only applies to German based providers, located in Germany, serving > Germany. > A similar rule applies in Sweden too, and there are exceptions. There is a difference between “block” and “silently discard”. Blocking is fine, silently discardin

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2015 um 20:03 schrieb Niamh Holding: Hello Reindl, Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 5:15:22 PM, you wrote: RH> the support calls for silent discard are more and contain more bad RH> energy Never been contacted by a spammer as to why their message ended up in /dev/null stop kidding or do

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Niamh Holding
Hello Reindl, Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 5:15:22 PM, you wrote: RH> the support calls for silent discard are more and contain more bad RH> energy Never been contacted by a spammer as to why their message ended up in /dev/null -- Best regards, Niamhmailto:ni...@fu

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2015 um 17:59 schrieb Axb: Both methods have their advantages - it always depends on what your user's expect/wish/hope for AND not to be forgotten: How many support tickets could all the rejects trigger? Depending on your user base, it could be more than you wish for that's why you ca

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2015 um 17:23 schrieb Dave Wreski: Hi, RH> i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed RH> because it's legally classified identical to a postman says "meh i don't RH> walk to go upstairs today and throw the letter away" RH> if you pretend to provide relieable

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Axb
While a few here think this is god's gift to mankind, it's ONE way to do it... On 03/25/2015 05:23 PM, Dave Wreski wrote: I hoped I could ask for a little more of an explanation. I'm willing to rely on RBLs and postscreen to make outright reject decisions, but I'm not sure I want spamassassin

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Dave Wreski
Hi, RH> i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed RH> because it's legally classified identical to a postman says "meh i don't RH> walk to go upstairs today and throw the letter away" RH> if you pretend to provide relieable mailservices it should be logically RH> that di

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread RW
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:10:48 -0500 Lorenzo Thurman wrote: > I contacted the list a couple of weeks ago about SA not missing a lot > of spam I thought it should be catching. There duplicates of message > that I had put through sa-learn, that were still getting passed. One > of the suggestions offer

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Nick Edwards: if i need to take the phone and ask the admin if a mail was discarded or just not delivered at the moment the mailservice is shit get into the real world, and there you go again someone does different than reindl does so they must be shit. jesus ch

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Nick Edwards
On 3/25/15, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 25.03.2015 um 13:34 schrieb Nick Edwards: >> It only applies to German based providers, located in Germany, serving >> Germany. >> A similar rule applies in Sweden too, and there are exceptions. >> >> I can reject who or what I want > > well, start with unde

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Nick Edwards
On 3/25/15, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 25.03.2015 um 13:39 schrieb Nick Edwards: >> On 3/25/15, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> that game is over at the moment you got a complaint from the sender >>> proving you MX has responded with "250 OK" and the message was never >>> delivered - that is *not* how

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2015 um 13:34 schrieb Nick Edwards: It only applies to German based providers, located in Germany, serving Germany. A similar rule applies in Sweden too, and there are exceptions. I can reject who or what I want well, start with understand the difference between reject and discard

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2015 um 13:39 schrieb Nick Edwards: On 3/25/15, Reindl Harald wrote: that game is over at the moment you got a complaint from the sender proving you MX has responded with "250 OK" and the message was never delivered - that is *not* how SMTP is designed to work read up on your RFC's,

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Nick Edwards
On 3/25/15, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 25.03.2015 um 11:17 schrieb Niamh Holding: >> Hello Reindl, >> >> Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote: >> >> RH> i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed >> RH> because it's legally classified identical to a postman says

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Nick Edwards
On 3/25/15, Niamh Holding wrote: > > Hello Reindl, > > Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote: > > RH> i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed > RH> because it's legally classified identical to a postman says "meh i don't > > RH> walk to go upstairs today and th

Re: DBL and SBL checks on from address domain

2015-03-25 Thread Axb
On 03/25/2015 11:07 AM, Andy Wright wrote: On Tue, 2015-03-24 at 10:07 +0530, Ramprasad Padmanabhan wrote: How can I check if the domain used in from address is listed in spamhaus DBL or the IP it resolves to is listed in SBL I find all the URIBL_DBL_SPAM rules etc work only for urls in the

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2015 um 11:17 schrieb Niamh Holding: Hello Reindl, Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote: RH> i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed RH> because it's legally classified identical to a postman says "meh i don't RH> walk to go upstairs today and thr

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Niamh Holding
Hello Reindl, Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote: RH> i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed RH> because it's legally classified identical to a postman says "meh i don't RH> walk to go upstairs today and throw the letter away" RH> if you pretend to pro

Re: DBL and SBL checks on from address domain

2015-03-25 Thread Andy Wright
On Tue, 2015-03-24 at 10:07 +0530, Ramprasad Padmanabhan wrote: > How can I check if the domain used in from address is listed in > spamhaus DBL or the IP it resolves to is listed in SBL > > > I find all the URIBL_DBL_SPAM rules etc work only for urls in the > body not headers > That would

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2015 um 10:45 schrieb Niamh Holding: Hello Reindl, Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 11:40:39 PM, you wrote: RH> you are not allowed to silent discard mail Could you please quote the relevant section of UK law which pertains? i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed

Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)

2015-03-25 Thread Niamh Holding
Hello Reindl, Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 11:40:39 PM, you wrote: RH> you are not allowed to silent discard mail Could you please quote the relevant section of UK law which pertains? -- Best regards, Niamhmailto:ni...@fullbore.co.uk pgpetJrbzBVhg.pgp Description: PG