Re: new paradigm

2011-11-27 Thread Noel Butler
your opinion means less than that to me, since for some unknown reason, for some time you have taken an extreme hatred of me, but hey what ever floats your boat I dont know you so I dont give a fuck about your reasons or your rants. On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 13:05 -0800, jdow wrote: > Whereas my con

Re: new paradigm

2011-11-27 Thread Noel Butler
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 16:48 +, RW wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:43:04 + > RW wrote: > > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:06:44 +1000 > > Noel Butler wrote: > > > > > > > its up to them if they want to or not, the spam folders have very > > > little in them here because of our approach, and in

Re: Question for experts....

2011-11-27 Thread jdow
On 2011/11/27 15:05, Mahmoud Khonji wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/28/2011 01:26 AM, jdow wrote: Which browser(s) treat addresses of the form 178.000235.150.000372 as actual addresses? That seems like a serious fault in the browsers. {^_^} adding to that: dott

Re: Question for experts....

2011-11-27 Thread Mahmoud Khonji
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/28/2011 01:26 AM, jdow wrote: > Which browser(s) treat addresses of the form > 178.000235.150.000372 as actual addresses? That seems like a > serious fault in the browsers. > > {^_^} adding to that: dotted hex IPv4 0x12.0xab.0xcd.0xef. sing

Re: Question for experts....

2011-11-27 Thread Mahmoud Khonji
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/28/2011 01:43 AM, Thierry Besancon wrote: > On 2011-11-27 13:26:43, jdow wrote: >> Which browser(s) treat addresses of the form >> 178.000235.150.000372 as actual addresses? That seems like a >> serious fault in the browsers. > > According t

Re: Question for experts....

2011-11-27 Thread jdow
On 2011/11/27 13:52, Martin Gregorie wrote: On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 13:26 -0800, jdow wrote: Which browser(s) treat addresses of the form 178.000235.150.000372 as actual addresses? That seems like a serious fault in the browsers. What piece of junk software presented an IP in that format? It

Re: Question for experts....

2011-11-27 Thread jdow
On 2011/11/27 13:43, Thierry Besancon wrote: On 2011-11-27 13:26:43, jdow wrote: Which browser(s) treat addresses of the form 178.000235.150.000372 as actual addresses? That seems like a serious fault in the browsers. According to C standards, a number beginning with a 0 is an base 8 numbe

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 15:27 -0600, Dave Funk wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, RW wrote: > > > If you actually want give a score to a hidden rule (to see whether > > it's being hit), I would do it this way: > > > > metaBAR __FOO > > score BAR 0.001 > > > > Another way to accompl

Re: Question for experts....

2011-11-27 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 13:26 -0800, jdow wrote: > Which browser(s) treat addresses of the form 178.000235.150.000372 as > actual addresses? That seems like a serious fault in the browsers. > What piece of junk software presented an IP in that format? Itds obviously something I should avoid in f

Re: Question for experts....

2011-11-27 Thread Thierry Besancon
On 2011-11-27 13:26:43, jdow wrote: > Which browser(s) treat addresses of the form 178.000235.150.000372 as > actual addresses? That seems like a serious fault in the browsers. According to C standards, a number beginning with a 0 is an base 8 number. So 000235 is legal. It means 157 in decim

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread Dave Funk
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, RW wrote: If you actually want give a score to a hidden rule (to see whether it's being hit), I would do it this way: metaBAR __FOO score BAR 0.001 Another way to accomplish the same thing is to temporarily change your __FOO rules to T_FOO (simple text edit

Question for experts....

2011-11-27 Thread jdow
Which browser(s) treat addresses of the form 178.000235.150.000372 as actual addresses? That seems like a serious fault in the browsers. {^_^}

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread jdow
Even with that, RW, he can't have been running long enough to give that number. He needs a decent sample of failures before his number is better a figure at least ten times the figure he gave. And NO system with that many mails fails to make false positives unless one is arrogant enough to declar

Re: new paradigm

2011-11-27 Thread jdow
Whereas my concerns for your mathematical nonsense is zip, nada, zero, nothing, goawayyoubothermechild. Seriously, your claim is patent nonsense yet you expect people to listen to you. That IS rather childish behavior, you know. You can't have been running anti-spam tools long enough to reach you

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:04 +, RW wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:31:22 + > Martin Gregorie wrote: > > I also notice, because I tried it to see what happens, that you can > > submit a score line for a rule with a __ name prefix without an error > > being reported. Is that line silently thr

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread RW
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:31:22 + Martin Gregorie wrote: I also notice, because I tried it to see what happens, that you can > submit a score line for a rule with a __ name prefix without an error > being reported. Is that line silently thrown away? I don't know. You could try it, but since it's

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 18:40 +, RW wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:08:55 + > Martin Gregorie wrote: > > > > Yes, thats clear, but what is the Wiki statement I quoted about rules > > whose name starts with a double underscore meant to mean? Merely that > > any attempt to add a score line fo

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread RW
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:08:55 + Martin Gregorie wrote: > Yes, thats clear, but what is the Wiki statement I quoted about rules > whose name starts with a double underscore meant to mean? Merely that > any attempt to add a score line for such a rule will be rejected? No, point is that rules th

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Yes, thats clear, but what is the Wiki statement I quoted about rules whose name starts with a double underscore meant to mean? Merely that any attempt to add a score line for such a rule will be rejected? Pretty much, yes. Rules starting with __ are intended to be used in meta rules and never s

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 17:46 +, RW wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:14:08 -0500 > Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > > > > The score of a rule has nothing to do with the arithmetic for meta > > operations in determining if the rule is true. Specifically "An > > arithmetic meta rule can be used to tell

Re: Porn rules to share?

2011-11-27 Thread Sergio
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > On 11/27/2011 10:24 AM, Sergio wrote: > >> >> I want to thank you KAM for the share of his rules, I have learned a lot >> looking on them and thanks to that I have modified the rules that I had to >> make them more easy to work, the arith

Re: Porn rules to share?

2011-11-27 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, Sergio wrote: my major concern is in the garbled words like: S:C H #O+O L "G l, R%L P *0 *R N* T\E /EN"S} P)0_R \N S:C H #O+O L "G l, R%L P *0 *R N* G ,RA _N N}Y } P %0 ~R |N \ P,0_ R .N PI ~C}T+U-R(E%S. TR %A *N #S S. E. X{UA`L P&0/R N_ What it will be the best way to cat

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread RW
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:14:08 -0500 Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > The score of a rule has nothing to do with the arithmetic for meta > operations in determining if the rule is true. Specifically "An > arithmetic meta rule can be used to tell if more than a certain > number of sub rules matched." Mo

Re: Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
To answer your subject, no, nothing with __ has changed in quite some time that I can recollect. More information below but I believe you are misreading the docs. On 11/27/2011 11:52 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote: The SA wiki says: "rules starting with a double undescore are evaluated with no sco

Has the effect of '__' changed recently?

2011-11-27 Thread Martin Gregorie
The SA wiki says: "rules starting with a double undescore are evaluated with no score, and are intended for use in meta rules where you don't want the sub-rules to have a score." on this page: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WritingRules and yes, the typo (undescore) is on the web page - thats

Re: new paradigm

2011-11-27 Thread RW
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:43:04 + RW wrote: > On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:06:44 +1000 > Noel Butler wrote: > > > > its up to them if they want to or not, the spam folders have very > > little in them here because of our approach, and in our tests we > > have had 0.0001% of FP's in that, which is

Re: new paradigm

2011-11-27 Thread RW
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:06:44 +1000 Noel Butler wrote: > its up to them if they want to or not, the spam folders have very > little in them here because of our approach, and in our tests we have > had 0.0001% of FP's in that, which is really good. At 1.7 million email a day that's at very mos

Re: Porn rules to share?

2011-11-27 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 10:40 -0500, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > On 11/27/2011 10:24 AM, Sergio wrote: > > > > I want to thank you KAM for the share of his rules, I have learned a > > lot looking on them and thanks to that I have modified the rules that > > I had to make them more easy to work, the a

Re: Porn rules to share?

2011-11-27 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 11/27/2011 10:24 AM, Sergio wrote: I want to thank you KAM for the share of his rules, I have learned a lot looking on them and thanks to that I have modified the rules that I had to make them more easy to work, the arithmetic on the rules with the operand "+" is working really nice I have

FP rate (was Re: new paradigm_

2011-11-27 Thread David F. Skoll
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:04:25 +1000 Noel Butler wrote: > my care factor about what some spammy troll like yourself has to say, > is, well... in the words of Elton John - too low for zero With all due respect, a reported FP of 0.0001% is simply not believable. Regards, David.

Re: new paradigm

2011-11-27 Thread David F. Skoll
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:25:59 -0300 Christian Grunfeld wrote: > 0.000,000,01% is 1 FP over 10,000,000,000 !! > I'm not scared about your email volume...I doubt about your FP > ratio !!! I agree. I don't believe that FP ratio either. Regards, David.

Re: Porn rules to share?

2011-11-27 Thread Sergio
Thank you all for your inputs, as you can see I am creating my own rules as SA needs help on stopping spam. I want to thank you KAM for the share of his rules, I have learned a lot looking on them and thanks to that I have modified the rules that I had to make them more easy to work, the arithmeti

Re: Porn rules to share?

2011-11-27 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 11/27/2011 8:26 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote: Change the meta to this: meta PORN_RULES (__PORN_RULE01 || __PORN_RULE02) A quick glance at the SA rules for name prefixes would have told you that rules with names that start with a double underscore have a zero score, so your meta will never wo

Re: Porn rules to share?

2011-11-27 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 06:17 -0600, Sergio wrote: > But emails are still getting in, any comment on what I need to fix on the > rule? or if someone has a better rule to stop this that wants to share the > rule, it will be appreciated. > Change the meta to this: meta PORN_RULES (__PORN_RULE01 ||

Re: Porn rules to share?

2011-11-27 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I created the following rule: header__PORN_RULE01 SUBJECT =~ /Re.(sexy|blonde).*(messy|wants|fuck|cuntzn)/i header__PORN_RULE02 SUBJECT =~ /S.C.H..O.O.L..G.I..R.L.P..0..R.N/I meta PORN_RULES (__PORN_RULE01 + __PORN_RULE02 >=1) score PORN:_RULES 5.0 But emails are still getting

Re: new paradigm

2011-11-27 Thread Noel Butler
ynnn my care factor about what some spammy troll like yourself has to say, is, well... in the words of Elton John - too low for zero On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 00:25 -0300, Christian Grunfeld wrote: > > 2011/11/24 Noel Butler : > >> its up