RE: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread R-Elists
marc, yes, yes it does make it spam if i have no idea who they are or why they are emailing me and/or my clients. it sure as all get out makes it spam. marc, are you boozing or just tired? - rh Perhaps, but it doesn't make it spam.

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread Marc Perkel
R-Elists wrote: I wouldn't say they are perfect but they try to be. It's close enough for my white list. They shut down abusers and the opt out works. marc, we shouldnt have to opt out... -rh Perhaps, but it doesn't make it spam.

Re: KHOP_NO_FULL_NAME

2009-10-17 Thread Jari Fredriksson
18.10.2009 2:22, Adam Katz kirjoitti: Jari Fredriksson quoted himself (both on the 17th): I have not yet analysed what whitehats cause this, but this rule seems suspipicious to me at moment. Now I have. Legitimate bulk mailers. From: "NYTimes.com" From: "Iltalehti.fi" Newspapers. And other

Re: KHOP_NO_FULL_NAME

2009-10-17 Thread Adam Katz
Jari Fredriksson quoted himself (both on the 17th): >> I have not yet analysed what whitehats cause this, but this rule seems >> suspipicious to me at moment. > > Now I have. Legitimate bulk mailers. > > From: "NYTimes.com" > From: "Iltalehti.fi" > > Newspapers. And others. Guestionable rule.

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread Adam Katz
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > Do note that Hostkarma WHITE is not part of the stock rule-set. > Moreover, it is *your* score of a whopping -2.1 for the third-party DNS > BL test you're complaining about, that results in FNs. Last I checked > (which is a while ago, granted), I wouldn't score it that

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread Adam Katz
Daniel J McDonald wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 16:25 -0400, Adam Katz wrote: > >> My own proposal to fixing this is to bring back Blue Security's >> do-not-email list, which is to say a freely available index of >> secure hashes representing email addresses that have opted out of >> bulk email.

This Subject has Changed (was: Constant Contact)

2009-10-17 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 17:37 -0400, "Alex" wrote: > > > rawbody __CCM_UNSUB > > > /"https?:..visitor\.constantcontact.com\/[^<>]{60,200}>SafeUnsubscribe > > > Ouch! Rawbody, that hurts. > > Do you mean that it's much more resource-intensive than a regular > "body" check? You can't use body rule

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread MySQL Student
Hi, >> rawbody  __CCM_UNSUB >> /"https?:..visitor\.constantcontact.com\/[^<>]{60,200}>SafeUnsubscribe > Ouch!  Rawbody, that hurts. Do you mean that it's much more resource-intensive than a regular "body" check? When is it necessary (or possible) to use it over the URIDetail substitute you menti

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread John Rudd
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 06:24, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: > Remember, if the > sender was really clean, their would be zero need for CC. Absolute unadulterated BS. This is equivalent to saying "all of those lay-people who just get gmail or yahoo or hotmail accounts -- if they weren't spammer

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 19:58 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > In other words, how comes you're only venting about the companies you > despise, and don't even mention the whitelist with a single word? > > guenther > You need to deal with your personality issues - this is *not* about *you* ei

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 18:24 +0100, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 18:53 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 14:24 +0100, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: > > > [...] but as it's being discussed here - I'm guessing > > > somewhere in SA something is 'grea

Re: Downloading sandbox rules

2009-10-17 Thread MySQL Student
Hi, Sorry, just after I sent this I saw the message from yesterday about using svn. Thanks, Alex On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, MySQL Student wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to download a few of the rules from the SVN sandbox for > testing without using svn for this. It used to be possible by click

Downloading sandbox rules

2009-10-17 Thread MySQL Student
Hi, I'd like to download a few of the rules from the SVN sandbox for testing without using svn for this. It used to be possible by clicking "Download" but in the last week or so the site was updated and that option is no longer available. Do I have to use svn now for this? http://svn.apache.org/v

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 18:53 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 14:24 +0100, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 07:26 -0400, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > > > > [...] Why are we covering for their mistakes and > > > supporting a company that profits from sending

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 14:24 +0100, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 07:26 -0400, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > > [...] Why are we covering for their mistakes and > > supporting a company that profits from sending spam, even if its only > > sometimes, by whitelisting them? "We" aren't

RE: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread R-Elists
> > I wouldn't say they are perfect but they try to be. It's > close enough for my white list. They shut down abusers and > the opt out works. > > marc, we shouldnt have to opt out... -rh

Re: Is there a WANTS_MY_INFO rule?

2009-10-17 Thread MySQL Student
Hi, > In order to confirm you Web-Mail identity, you are to provide the > following data; > > First Name: > Last Name: > Username/ID: > Password: > Date of Birth: Try John Hardin's fillform: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/rulesrc/sandbox/jhardin/?sortby=date Regards, Alex

Is there a WANTS_MY_INFO rule?

2009-10-17 Thread Marc Perkel
To catch this: In order to confirm you Web-Mail identity, you are to provide the following data; First Name: Last Name: Username/ID: Password: Date of Birth: Affirm your willingness and cooperation please, by replying me stating your FULL NAME, DATE OF BIRTH, TELEPHONE NUMBER, FAX NUMBER, and

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 09:30 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 17 October 2009, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: > >On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 07:26 -0400, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:47 AM, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk > >> > >> wrote: > >> > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 13:29 -0700, John

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 17 October 2009, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: >On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 07:26 -0400, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:47 AM, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk >> >> wrote: >> > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 13:29 -0700, John Hardin wrote: >> >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, John Rudd wrote: >> >> > M

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 07:26 -0400, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:47 AM, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk > wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 13:29 -0700, John Hardin wrote: > >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, John Rudd wrote: > >> > >> > Me. I work for one of their clients (a University). One or two

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread Aaron Wolfe
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:47 AM, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 13:29 -0700, John Hardin wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, John Rudd wrote: >> >> > Me.  I work for one of their clients (a University).  One or two of >> > our divisions use them for large mailings to our internal

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! One factor in scoring white list like mine is that different people have different definitions as to what is spam. And people have different values as to blocking spam at the expense of blocking good email. In my business if I block a good email it's worse than 100 spams getting through. I

Re: Constant Contact

2009-10-17 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 13:29 -0700, John Hardin wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, John Rudd wrote: > > > Me. I work for one of their clients (a University). One or two of > > our divisions use them for large mailings to our internal users. > > How is Constant Contact better than (say) GNU mailman fo