Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

Kenneth Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Interesting idea. It's my understanding that dynamic addresses are > used due to the IPv4 shortage, so if we can push for more IPv6 > deployment, we get the technical means to get rid of dynamic > addresses. I do not think so, at least in the case of

Re: Re[2]: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Sanford Whiteman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> networks all day. I also think that the accusations that you're an agent of some government, enterprise, NGO, etc., are ludicrous based on the fundamental naïveté of your proposal (like the fact that you He claimed he was about to present t

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 20:55, Sanford Whiteman wrote: > Because  of  that experience, I find myself > agreeing  with  the  overall reaction of, in essence: "Kill me now, if > his  proposal  is  going  to be disseminated by any entity who doesn't > have enough techies on staff to shoot it down.

Re[2]: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

> So you think that viruses are going to know how to find and decrypt > the passwords of all email programs? Any data that must be decrypted without user intervention can be accessed in its unencrypted form without user intervention. If user intervention is required for decryption, we

Re: GIF Spam -- Setting up the 'OCR scanner and image validator SA-plugin'

results - are very good on my preliminary tests. these two spams look exactly the same in my email program except the subject line here is a spam before ---snip--- From - Wed Aug 02 22:29:15 2006 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 11:24, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > Otherwise, zombies can still try > to connect directly, and you'll have to rely on DUL and other blacklists to > figure out which IP addresses belong to end users. The reason zombies are detected is that they cause performance problems.

rules use by SA

Hi, What rules are implemented by this mailing list server? it seems very good to detect spam. TIA. --beast

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - Those who ignore history...

From: "Richard Ozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This entire discussion was held (almost word for word) on comp.mail.imap in > 2002. Nothing significant has changed except for the involvement of the UN. As I said, nothing significant has changed... To see the past, present, and future of this entire

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 12:02, Marc Perkel wrote: Long pedantic diatribe deleted (Really, don't you suppose anyone reading this list knew all of that already)? >  1. It would eliminate the need to configure outgoing SMTP. That makes >       it easier for the consumer. It would also elim

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gino Cerullo wrote: On 2-Aug-06, at 6:29 PM, Jason Haar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: FYI: Courier-IMAP has had this feature for some time. You can configure it so that any mail message dropped into an IMAP subfolder named (e

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - Those who ignore history...

This entire discussion was held (almost word for word) on comp.mail.imap in 2002. Nothing significant has changed except for the involvement of the UN. As I said, nothing significant has changed... To see the past, present, and future of this entire topic, visit: http://tinyurl.com/zwjmz Y'a

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jdow wrote: From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Magnus Holmgren wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 14:37, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: Why not just eliminate the SMTP protocol for end users and keep SMTP as a server to server protoc

Re: clamav virus db update

On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 03:28:50PM -0500, John Thompson wrote: > complaint about the databases being out of date came up. Ran freshclam > again, and it said everything was fine. > > Any explanation? I'm not sure, but I'd suggest that if you ask the clamav people as opposed to a random unrelated

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

Gino Cerullo wrote: On 2-Aug-06, at 6:29 PM, Jason Haar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FYI: Courier-IMAP has had this feature for some time. You can configure it so that any mail message dropped into an IMAP subfolder named (e.g.) "Outbox" will be auto-sent - i.e. piped in

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

jdow wrote: From: "John Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: If SMTP becomes a server to server protocol then it will wipe out consumer virus infected spam zombies. It's not going to get rid of all spam - just most of it. It will wipe out the _existing_

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

From: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, jdow wrote: The authenticated SMTP exists now. It has password problems via simple sniffing. I wish Earthlink supported SSL connections which can't be sniffed. TLS? They don't have that either. {^_^}

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

jdow wrote: From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Magnus Holmgren wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 14:37, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: Why not just eliminate the SMTP protocol for end users and keep SMTP as a server to server protocol and have users send theit email to th

Doesn't look like good news to me

Got this awhile ago, apparently the spammer left something out. We have some great news. Even though it has taken sometime, our agents have found 0 companies that are willing and able to refinance. Please note that this is a time sensitive situation, take one moment and follow link and we will be

Re: clamav virus db update

On Wed, August 2, 2006 22:28, John Thompson wrote: > Any explanation? make sure you have same database path in both freshclam.conf and clamd.conf clamd.conf have as the error says a old lib even freshclam.conf have updatde to latest -- Benny

clamav virus db update

I had to reboot my FreeBSD mail server and noticed something unusual. As the boot messages scrolled by on the console, libclamav complained that the virus databases were more than 7 days old and should be updated. I have a cron job for that, but what the heck I ran freshclam as soon as the syst

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Ken A wrote: > I don't think it's anything that dark.. See previous threads started by > Marc Perkel on this list. He appears to be gaining an education - > perhaps accidentally with his overzealous approach. See subjects: "The > Future of Email is SQL", "The best way to use

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, jdow wrote: > The authenticated SMTP exists now. It has password problems via > simple sniffing. I wish Earthlink supported SSL connections which > can't be sniffed. TLS? -- John Hardin KA7OHZICQ#15735746http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]FALaholic

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, jdow wrote: > IMAP, after all, exposes user email to scrutiny on machines the > user does not control. Now, be fair. SMTP has exactly the same weakness. What prevents the Earthlink SMTP servers from saving a copy of every message they process on your behalf? If you want your

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, jdow wrote: > Of course, then if you have the spammer friendly ISPs and > registrars in the picture it's all null and void. Don't give up yet! ISPs are assigned specific netblocks. Spammer-friendly ISPs' netblocks can be listed in a DNSBL. It's fairly easy to determine which

Re: how to set up recipient specific Bayesian databases???

On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:51:32PM -0500, Joseph Harvell wrote: > I want to integrate SpamAssassin with Postfix and Cyrus-Imapd so that > when SpamAssassin runs, it is using a Bayesian database that is selected > based on the recipient(s) of the message. > > I have read the SpamAssassin documentat

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, jdow wrote: > >> Being that I am a domain registrar (small but still) how will I > >> know if they have a working postmaster or abuse alias? > > > > Easy. Send them an email and see if they respond. Make it clear in the > > service agreement that they (hopefully) read before r

how to set up recipient specific Bayesian databases???

I posted this same question a few days ago (Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>), but the thread died before the question was answered. I want to integrate SpamAssassin with Postfix and Cyrus-Imapd so that when SpamAssassin runs, it is using a Bayesian database that is selected based on the recipient(

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Aug 2, 2006, at 3:40 PM, jdow wrote: From: "John Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: If SMTP becomes a server to server protocol then it will wipe out consumer virus infected spam zombies. It's not going to get rid of all spam - just most of it. It wil

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

From: "Gino Cerullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 2-Aug-06, at 7:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sniffers exist. Passwords are NOT the solution. They may evolve into part of the problem. Traffic analysis and slow downs for sending too many emails too rapidly are part of the solution. Forcing auth

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: > The zombies wouldn't be able to connect because the zombies wouldn't > have the IMAP password. I think you're too optimistic about that. "remember my password" is a feature of most every email client, and the encryption key (assuming the password is even

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

On 2-Aug-06, at 7:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Sniffers exist. Passwords are NOT the solution. They may evolve into part of the problem. Traffic analysis and slow downs for sending too many emails too rapidly are part of the solution. Forcing authenticated SMTP submission finishes the solution.

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

On 2-Aug-06, at 6:29 PM, Jason Haar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:FYI: Courier-IMAP has had this feature for some time. You can configure it so that any mail message dropped into an IMAP subfolder named (e.g.) "Outbox" will be auto-sent - i.e. piped into /usr/sbin/sendmail. Completely removes the need

bayes.lock - No ctime recorded for

Hello list, I recently had this warning from spamassassin: unlock: 6948 no ctime recorded for /home/server/.spamassassin/bayes.lock at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/Mail/SpamAssassin/Locker/UnixNFSSafe.pm line 162. While running this environment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# spamassassin --version

Re: sa-update (sa v 3.1.4)

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 12:21:07AM +0100, Mike Bostock wrote: > I use a default build of sa (i.e. I change absolutely no config variables) > and the default definitions dir is /usr/share/spamassassin Right. > running sa-update puts new definitions in *its* default of > /var/lib/spamassasin//updat

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

From: "Gino Cerullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well I use Spamcop as one of my RBLs and it has been fantastic, absolutely no false positives. 15RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET 5871 1.688.06 31.333.36 That is hardly "no false positives". It's only a 10:1 bet. {^_^}

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, jdow wrote: If this is real and not make believe for a class somewhere in school then Marc is a VERY dangerous person with an agenda. I don't agree about the agenda, but I do agree about the danger. If it is the case, it's simply depressing that the UN would take input about

sa-update (sa v 3.1.4)

I am probably being a bit bit dim but I use a default build of sa (i.e. I change absolutely no config variables) and the default definitions dir is /usr/share/spamassassin running sa-update puts new definitions in *its* default of /var/lib/spamassasin//updates_spamassassin_org/ Now,

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

On 2-Aug-06, at 4:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anyone serious about stopping SPAM should not use SpamCop. They have no real checking method, it's like AOL's spam blocking method...they just let users submit what they think is spam and then block it. It's pointless. There's not even a way to conta

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

How about treating this as a network issue instead of a mail issue? There's quite a body of work already available, including the idea (packet authentication) being investigated by the team at the link below. http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~adrian/projects/tesla-cryptobytes/paper/node1.html Just trying

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

jdow wrote: From: "Ken A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's crazier than I thought you were. If you expect the average user to go along with that you're not connected with reality very well. Your idealism is getting in the way. He's engaged in marc-eting ? sorry... but yeah. end this o.t. please..

Re: same name spams

From: "Tim Litwiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am getting quite a few spams that even with most of the sare rules are sneaking in under 5 points. 4.7 - 4.9 one common thing I've noticed the last 2 days is 80% or so are addressed to more than one email address like this [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

He's not advocating switching to an IMAP-only system ... He's asking the U.N. to start "...funding projects that fight spam and provide internet security and educational resources to the public." The rest of the paper is background and suggestions taken from this thread (and a couple he came in

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

From: "Logan Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: If IMAP and POP were enhanced to allow outgoing email to be transferred back up the same connection as incoming email it would have several advantages. 1. It would eliminate the need to configure outgoing SMTP. That

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

For someone who was worried about breaking forwarding with SPF just a little while ago. What you propose below blows forwarding out of the water. On 2-Aug-06, at 4:53 PM, Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Allowing IMAP/POP to Send EmailThe email SMTP protocol was created in simpler times. One o

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Thursday 03 August 2006 00:40, jdow took the opportunity to say: > In the mean time it moves MOST people email storage into a position > for REALLY EASY government examination for "bad thoughts". It's ideal > for thought police. IMAP stores email on the server rather than my > private machine wh

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email The email SMTP protocol was created in simpler times. One of the problems is that it is far too easy for any one person to impersonate any other person on the planet. One of the things that will reduce spam and frau

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Ken A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's crazier than I thought you were. If you expect the average user to go along with that you're not connected with reality very well. Your idealism is getting in the way. He's engaged in marc-eting ? sorry... but yeah. end this o.t. please... Ken This is

Re: spf fails for smtp auth clients

On Wed, August 2, 2006 23:45, Gino Cerullo wrote: > I just tried to send you an email directly and got this back. yes thats your problem :-) i do not run spf in mta so this is the reason > Aug 2 17:40:33 server postfix/smtpd[13818]: disconnect from unknown > [216.138.200.230] you should realy

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "John Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: If SMTP becomes a server to server protocol then it will wipe out consumer virus infected spam zombies. It's not going to get rid of all spam - just most of it. It will wipe out the _existing_ spam zombies.

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Logan Shaw wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: SMTP passwords go away because SMTP goes away. The idea is that outgoing IMAP would replace SMTP and there would be no SMTP between clients and servers. SMTP would be a server to server protoco

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

jdow wrote: From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Magnus Holmgren wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 21:29, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: The zombies wouldn't be able to connect because the zombies wouldn't have the IMAP password. In that case, neither the SMTP passwor

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Magnus Holmgren wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 21:29, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: The zombies wouldn't be able to connect because the zombies wouldn't have the IMAP password. In that case, neither the SMTP password, which we ha

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "JamesDR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mail storage for ISP? Say 100MB. (ISP's don't allocate this my the number of users, they know that they won't be storing that much mail for that long.) Help desk calls because of over limit? Very few. IMAP/IMAP SEND Mail storage for ISP? Say 100MB. (ISP WIL

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

FYI: Courier-IMAP has had this feature for some time. You can configure it so that any mail message dropped into an IMAP subfolder named (e.g.) "Outbox" will be auto-sent - i.e. piped into /usr/sbin/sendmail. Completely removes the need for SMTP. Of course, it would really require all MUAs to be r

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Magnus Holmgren wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 14:37, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: Why not just eliminate the SMTP protocol for end users and keep SMTP as a server to server protocol and have users send theit email to the server by ext

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:37 AM -0700 Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why not just eliminate the SMTP protocol for end users and keep SMTP as a server to server protocol and have users send theit email to the serve

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "MennovB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John D. Hardin wrote: On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, John Rudd wrote: Reducing volume of spam *sent* probably requires fundamental redesign of the protocols, or some other major change in the cost/benefit analysis. Don't think that's needed, if ISP's only allow out

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Kenneth Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:03 PM +0100 Graham Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally I would solve the problem by going the other way. Get rid of dynamic IP addresses Interesting idea. It's my understanding that dynamic addresses are u

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> --090806020708020808010004 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email >> >> The email SMTP protocol was created in simpler times. O

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Kenneth Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:09 AM -0400 Rob McEwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Honestly, I haven't been following this thread much... but I do want to add that the UN is full of thugs who are power hungry and would like very much to control the

Re: spf fails for smtp auth clients

Hi Benny,I just tried to send you an email directly and got this back.Aug  2 17:39:33 server postfix/smtpd[13818]: BFB481BD016: client=unknown[216.138.200.230], sasl_method=CRAM-MD5, sasl_username=gcerulloAug  2 17:39:33 server postfix/cleanup[13821]: BFB481BD016: message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Aug 

Re: spf fails for smtp auth clients

Benny Pedersen wrote: spf fails when mails sent to my own mail server, but it should work for all others that recieve mail from rima.ws ? Simple answer: don't run SPF tests on outgoing/submitted mail. If SPF says that your mail has to come from your server, and you run that SPF check *on* you

Re: SPF Relay

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 23:05, Anderson, Bill took the opportunity to say: > I am seeing these lines in my debug logs: > > dbg: spf: no suitable relay for spf use found, skipping SPF-helo check > dbg: spf: no suitable relay for spf use found, skipping SPF check > > Does anyone know what spamass

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Logan Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: I think what you are doing is a step in the right direction. But imagine if the users IMAP connection could be used to send mail back up the link then you wouldn't need to do SMTP to the users at all. All you would h

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 22:26, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: > Logan Shaw wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: > >> SMTP passwords go away because SMTP goes away. > >> > >> The idea is that outgoing IMAP would replace SMTP and there would be > >> no SMTP between clients

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Tom Ray wrote: > have registered that does not have working (i.e. read-by-a-human) > postmaster@ and abuse@ aliases? Being that I am a domain registrar (small but still) how will I know if they have a working postmaster or abuse

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

Rob, PLEASE uninject politics from this list. It's counter productive. That is what I meant about the original attempt to inject politics. {o.o} - Original Message - From: "Rob McEwen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Honestly, I haven't been following this thread much... but I do want to add that

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

On Wednesday, Aug 2nd 2006 at 22:59 +0200, quoth Andrzej Adam Filip: =>"Zinski, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: => =>> I use SpamCop to report my spam. =>> =>> I use the SpamHaus RBL as a first line of defense then I use =>> SpamAssassin to catch the rest of the spam coming to my server. =>> =>

RE: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

> I stand corrected I was at SpamCop.com and not SpamCop.net Yes, I'm sorry, I was referring to SpamCop.net.

Question about sa-learn and Bayes

On my FC4 host spamassassin -V reports; SpamAssassin version 3.1.3 running on Perl version 5.8.6 When running spamassassin --lint --debug the output to stdout stop here: [16034] dbg: bayes: corpus size: nspam = 2291, nham = 642 [16034] dbg: bayes: tok_get_all: token count: 20 I ran sa-learn --d

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nigel Frankcom wrote: On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:37:32 -0700, Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why not just eliminate the SMTP protocol for end users and keep SMTP as a server to server protocol and have users send theit email to the server by ext

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

Marc Perkel wrote: The zombies wouldn't be able to connect because the zombies wouldn't have the IMAP password. Given 'em time. With sufficient motivation, the people who write the zombie programs will go to the effort to check the default mailer's config and extract the password. Or link i

GIF Spam -- Setting up the 'OCR scanner and image validator SA-plugin'

Just thought this might help someone out. Thanks to M. Blapp for an excellent SA Plugin. Optical Character Recognition (OCR) can be used to nab those pesky spam messages that are hidden in gif,jpeg, or png images... Here is what I did to get the plugin running. Test the components that the p

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

"Steven W. Orr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday, Aug 2nd 2006 at 13:50 -0700, quoth Derek Harding: > > =>On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 16:37 -0400, Tom Ray wrote: > =>> Anyone serious about stopping SPAM should not use SpamCop. They have no > =>> real checking method, it's like AOL's spam bloc

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

Tom Ray wrote: > > Let me re-phrase that, there's no listed form of contact on their > website. I was just there...you have a choice of Header Help, and Terms. > There's no "Contact SpamCop" option, no listed email accounts to mail > to. So how does Joe Average know how to contact Spam Cop? Why

SPF Relay

I am seeing these lines in my debug logs: dbg: spf: no suitable relay for spf use found, skipping SPF-helo check dbg: spf: no suitable relay for spf use found, skipping SPF check Does anyone know what spamassassin considers a "suitable relay for spf use"? Bill Anderson Technical Services Group O

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

Tom Ray wrote: Derek Harding wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 16:37 -0400, Tom Ray wrote: Anyone serious about stopping SPAM should not use SpamCop. They have no real checking method, it's like AOL's spam blocking method...they just let users submit what they think is spam and then block it.

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

Steven W. Orr wrote: > Hold on there Bullwinkle! I have been religiously using spamcop in the > hopes that the reports that are sent out get used by at least some of the > ISPs. Am I wrong about this? > We're an ISP and we take every single spamcop report (or other email abuse report) seriously

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

"Zinski, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I use SpamCop to report my spam. > > I use the SpamHaus RBL as a first line of defense then I use > SpamAssassin to catch the rest of the spam coming to my server. > > Am I wasting my time? Should I just delete low-scoring spam and let the > honeypots

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

Derek Harding wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 16:37 -0400, Tom Ray wrote: Anyone serious about stopping SPAM should not use SpamCop. They have no real checking method, it's like AOL's spam blocking method...they just let users submit what they think is spam and then block it. It's pointless.

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

On Wednesday, Aug 2nd 2006 at 13:50 -0700, quoth Derek Harding: =>On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 16:37 -0400, Tom Ray wrote: =>> Anyone serious about stopping SPAM should not use SpamCop. They have no =>> real checking method, it's like AOL's spam blocking method...they just =>> let users submit what the

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 21:51, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: > JamesDR wrote: > > And this differs from SMTP AUTH in what way? > > With SMTP AUTH te authentication for the outbound email isn't > necessarilly the same as the incoming email. But that would be both stupid and unnecess

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 16:37 -0400, Tom Ray wrote: > Anyone serious about stopping SPAM should not use SpamCop. They have no > real checking method, it's like AOL's spam blocking method...they just > let users submit what they think is spam and then block it. It's > pointless. There's not even a

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On 8/2/06, Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: doesn't require a separate connection on a separate port. Why use 2 protocols when you can use one? Indeed, why don't we just close all ports except 80 and layer everything atop HTTP? For heavens sake, Marc. This debate about using IMAP/POP f

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

Marc Perkel wrote: With SMTP AUTH te authentication for the outbound email isn't necessarilly the same as the incoming email. If you use IMAP to send email then the user has to know the IMAP password to send email. It also doesn't require a separate connection on a separate port. Why use 2 pro

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: If SMTP becomes a server to server protocol then it will wipe out consumer virus infected spam zombies. It's not going to get rid of all spam - just most of it. It will wipe out the _existing_ spam zombies. Then the zombies will adapt to using

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

Marc Perkel wrote: Logan Shaw wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: SMTP passwords go away because SMTP goes away. The idea is that outgoing IMAP would replace SMTP and there would be no SMTP between clients and servers. SMTP would be a server to server protocol. That's all we

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

Anyone serious about stopping SPAM should not use SpamCop. They have no real checking method, it's like AOL's spam blocking method...they just let users submit what they think is spam and then block it. It's pointless. There's not even a way to contact anyone at SpamCop to fix a falsely listed

Re: Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:09 PM, Zinski, Steve wrote: I use SpamCop to report my spam. I use the SpamHaus RBL as a first line of defense then I use SpamAssassin to catch the rest of the spam coming to my server. Am I wasting my time? Should I just delete low-scoring spam and let the honeypots harv

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

Logan Shaw wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: SMTP passwords go away because SMTP goes away. The idea is that outgoing IMAP would replace SMTP and there would be no SMTP between clients and servers. SMTP would be a server to server protocol. That's all well and good saying SMT

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 22:02, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: > Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email > > The email SMTP protocol was created in simpler times. One of the > problems is that it is far too easy for any one person to impersonate > any other person on the planet. One of t

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: 3. The server would accept outgoing email and label the from field to be the same as the email account preventing the user from pretending to be an email address other than the one the user authenticated as. It would then deliver the message to

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

Marc Perkel wrote: Magnus Holmgren wrote: > SMTP passwords go away because SMTP goes away. If the user doesn't store the password then they would type it in when say Thunderbird first starts. At that point obly thunderbird, not the virus program would have access to the IMAP port. If the vi

Re: Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: If IMAP and POP were enhanced to allow outgoing email to be transferred back up the same connection as incoming email it would have several advantages. 1. It would eliminate the need to configure outgoing SMTP. That makes it easier for the consumer. I

Am I wasting my time with SpamCop?

I use SpamCop to report my spam. I use the SpamHaus RBL as a first line of defense then I use SpamAssassin to catch the rest of the spam coming to my server. Am I wasting my time? Should I just delete low-scoring spam and let the honeypots harvest and report to the various RBLs, or should I keep

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Marc Perkel wrote: SMTP passwords go away because SMTP goes away. The idea is that outgoing IMAP would replace SMTP and there would be no SMTP between clients and servers. SMTP would be a server to server protocol. That's all well and good saying SMTP is server to server

Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email

Allowing IMAP/POP to Send Email The email SMTP protocol was created in simpler times. One of the problems is that it is far too easy for any one person to impersonate any other person on the planet. One of the things that will reduce spam and fraud on the Internet is to make it more difficult

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

Magnus Holmgren wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 21:29, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: The zombies wouldn't be able to connect because the zombies wouldn't have the IMAP password. In that case, neither the SMTP password, which we have to assume is required.

RE: same name spams

> I am getting quite a few spams that even with most of the > sare rules are > sneaking in under 5 points. 4.7 - 4.9 > > one common thing I've noticed the last 2 days is 80% or so > are addressed > to more than one email address like this > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > the part before t

Re: What changes would you make to stop spam? - United Nations Paper

JamesDR wrote: And this differs from SMTP AUTH in what way? With SMTP AUTH te authentication for the outbound email isn't necessarilly the same as the incoming email. If you use IMAP to send email then the user has to know the IMAP password to send email. It also doesn't require a separate

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