Re: Another question about {black,white}list_{to,from}

2004-11-16 Thread Matt Kettler
At 05:06 PM 11/16/2004, Steven W. Orr wrote: The docs are not very clear on whether the format uses regex a la perl or whether it's simple globbing. It's globbing, only, and the manpages point out it's a security thing. You can't allow untusted users to create perl regexes for spamd systems. (hen

Re: Some default rules (X_MESSAGE_INFO) weighted too heavily

2004-11-16 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, if you're using gotmail, you need to disable that rule. It'll never FP *except* on gotmail mail. - --j. Guyang Mao writes: > To start with, I am using spamassassin as a part of mimedefang, with network > tests enabled. > > And here's my situa

Another question about {black,white}list_{to,from}

2004-11-16 Thread Steven W. Orr
The docs are not very clear on whether the format uses regex a la perl or whether it's simple globbing. I tried to reject all incoming email that is addressed to a number via blacklist_to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then when I tried to test it by sending something from the outside to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it

RE: kinda OT procmailrc

2004-11-16 Thread Martin
|-Original Message- |From: ChupaCabra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 16 November 2004 17:32 |To: SpamAssassin list |Subject: Re: kinda OT procmailrc | ||That seems to have solved some of my difficulty but I am still |getting this is my procmaillog. | | |### | From [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: kinda OT procmailrc

2004-11-16 Thread Theodore Heise
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, ChupaCabra wrote: > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 16 11:26:35 2004 > Subject: [SPAM] Christmas gift idea - Rolex Watch > Folder: > /home/correspondance/Maildir/new/1100625995.28492_1.mail.cho 5228 > procmail: [28493] Tue Nov 16 11:26:37 2004 > procmail: No match on

RE: How to disable rewrite_header Subject for one user?

2004-11-16 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Jason von Nieda wrote: > Hi all. I'm using SA with rewrite_header Subject globally but > I need to disable it for one user. I used to use rewrite_subject 1 globally > and > rewrite_subject 0 in user_prefs for this user but with 3.0 these are > deprecated and removed. Can someone give me a hint of

Some default rules (X_MESSAGE_INFO) weighted too heavily

2004-11-16 Thread Guyang Mao
To start with, I am using spamassassin as a part of mimedefang, with network tests enabled. And here's my situation: I have a Hotmail account, through which I'm subscribed to various Microsoft mailing lists such as security updates, MSDN information, MCP lists, etc. Microsoft's bulk mailer adds a

Fwd: Re: Tuning SpamAssassin

2004-11-16 Thread Paul Crittenden
Well, I'm not sure exactly what fixed my problem but it is working fine now. I'll just need to pay attention and see if there is any other tuning that needs to be done. I increased the number of children to 35, changed the max-conn-per-child to 1, removed the lock for spamassassin and added DRO

How to disable rewrite_header Subject for one user?

2004-11-16 Thread Jason von Nieda
Hi all. I'm using SA with rewrite_header Subject globally but I need to disable it for one user. I used to use rewrite_subject 1 globally and rewrite_subject 0 in user_prefs for this user but with 3.0 these are deprecated and removed. Can someone give me a hint of how to do this now? I've tried

Re: auto-whitelist file size (Tips @ Tricks)

2004-11-16 Thread Klaus Pforte
A small dialogue with the creator of the script "trim_whitelist": Kris Deugau wrote: >> Klaus Pforte wrote: >> > The script make a backup of the DB-File (I changed the location in the script), o.k. But after this comes everytime "Cannot tie to old db." I changed the ownership and ri

Re: Score 9.9 by configuration?

2004-11-16 Thread Hanspeter Roth
On Nov 15 at 22:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke: > >> This were perfect if it were not unsafe. > >> Doesn't ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs require allow_user_rules=1 ? > >> It is not recommended. Is there a way to make allow_user_rules safe? > >> > >> -Hanspeter > >> > Hi, > > they will be safe if >

Re: kinda OT procmailrc

2004-11-16 Thread ChupaCabra
Bob Proulx wrote: ChupaCabra wrote: Is it not kosher to have both a /etc/procmailrc and a $USER/.procmailrc That is okay. But I think your problem is that you have set both DEFAULT and MAILDIR to the same location. here is my /etc/procmailrc VERBOSE=yes MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ DEFAULT=$

Re: How to stop this stock-spam?

2004-11-16 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Martin wrote: > I'm using SA 2.6x with SURBL and alot of SARE rules. Recently alot of stock > spams are getting through. When I replaced the _mydomain_ with our local domain in that message, it scores 7.2 points here, just from DNSBL lists, and 2.1 for bayes. After training

Re: spamd: server hit by SIGCHLD

2004-11-16 Thread Vadim
Michael Parker wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 09:14:34AM -0800, Vadim wrote: From time to time I am getting these error messages: Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: server hit by SIGCHLD Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: handled cleanup of child pid 10774 Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: server successfully sp

Re: spamd: server hit by SIGCHLD

2004-11-16 Thread Michael Parker
On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 09:14:34AM -0800, Vadim wrote: > >From time to time I am getting these error messages: > > Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: server hit by SIGCHLD > Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: handled cleanup of child pid 10774 > Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: server successfully spawned child p

spamd: server hit by SIGCHLD

2004-11-16 Thread Vadim
From time to time I am getting these error messages: Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: server hit by SIGCHLD Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: handled cleanup of child pid 10774 Nov 15 22:30:40 spamd[4749]: server successfully spawned child process, pid 21719 Is there a problem with my configuration? I am

RE: Idea for better scoring

2004-11-16 Thread Gray, Richard
Firstly: Hi, First posting to the list. Secondly: > It seems to work well but isn't based on much more than a whim and a little observation. I get very few ham hits on _my_ mail with it, but > I mainly get pretty clean looking ham. This seems like a sensible approach in general. However, it s

Re: Postfix+spamc/spamd+MySQL

2004-11-16 Thread Michael Parker
On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 11:35:15AM -0400, Elias Arends wrote: > > I have the above setup working with no problems. Incoming mail is being > scanned and tagged properly and delivered to the mailboxes. Now I want to > implement Per User Preferences using a MySQL database. I already have the > databa

Re: Solaris compile ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors

2004-11-16 Thread Nix
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Keith Hackworth uttered the following: >> make[1]: Entering directory `/export/new_stuff/Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.1' >> gcc -g -O2 spamc/spamc.c spamc/libspamc.c spamc/utils.c \ >> -o spamc/spamc -ldl -lnsl -lsocket >> Undefined first referenced >>

Re: kinda OT procmailrc

2004-11-16 Thread Bob Proulx
ChupaCabra wrote: > Is it not kosher to have both a /etc/procmailrc and a $USER/.procmailrc That is okay. But I think your problem is that you have set both DEFAULT and MAILDIR to the same location. > here is my /etc/procmailrc > > VERBOSE=yes > MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ > DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/

Re: Sensible way to use SpamCop reporting?

2004-11-16 Thread Nix
> I did once completely automate this using a script that fired > everything in my spam folder to spamcop, grepped 'sc?id' out of all > the spamcop replies, opened lynx with a command script which searched > for "Send Spam Report" and hit the link. This would be better done with LWP, I think; scri

kinda OT procmailrc

2004-11-16 Thread ChupaCabra
Is it not kosher to have both a /etc/procmailrc and a $USER/.procmailrc here is my /etc/procmailrc VERBOSE=yes MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/ LOGFILE=/var/log/procmaillog DROPPRIVS=yes COMSAT=no :0fw * < 256000 | spamc # All mail tagged as spam (eg. with a score higher than the

FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2004-11-16 Thread Chris Edwards
Hi, We seem to be getting FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD firing on genuine hotmail messages. Sample below. The rule seems to be firing as there's no Received headers at all, apart from the one written by our own server "palin". This is SpamAssassin version 3.0.1. Now, we're quite used to seeing regular "

Postfix+spamc/spamd+MySQL

2004-11-16 Thread Elias Arends
Platform: Solaris 8 MTA: Postfix 2.1.5 Software: SpamAssassin 2.64 SQL: MySQL 4.0.21 I have the above setup working with no problems. Incoming mail is being scanned and tagged properly and delivered to the mailboxes. Now I want to implement Per User Preferences using a MySQL database. I already ha

Possible warning to users. Santa phish.

2004-11-16 Thread Chris Santerre
I just got a spam that hit 2 SURBL domains. Advert for "Send your kids an email from santa!" How nice of spammers to not only tkae your $10, but harvest your children's email account and name as well. I'll be drafting up a warning to my users shortly. Others may want to do the same. Spread the love

Re: spamassassin time outs

2004-11-16 Thread Martin Hepworth
Bill must be on droogs ...:-) or old age is kicking in! evilnumbers is still live I'll get mi coat..! -- Martin Hepworth Snr Systems Administrator Solid State Logic Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300 Bowie Bailey wrote: From: Martin Hepworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Also I 'think' SA 3.01 contains weeds.

Re: Solaris compile ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors

2004-11-16 Thread Greg Earle
> Well I seem to have a problem getting Spamassassin 3.0.1 to compile. > I am running Solaris 2.5.1 with Perl 5.8.5 and gcc 3.3.2. I have been > able to install all the required perl modules. Now I want to finally > install Spamassassin and I get this error: > > [...] > > gcc -g -O2 spamc/spamc.

Re: Tuning SpamAssassin

2004-11-16 Thread Matt Kettler
At 08:37 AM 11/16/2004 -0600, Paul Crittenden wrote: I'm running SpamAssassin 3.0.1 on a Compaq Alpha running Tru64-Unix, sendmail 8.12.10. are there any guidelines to figuring out how many children you need when running spamc/spamd. I know that having to many is as bad as having to few. I have

RE: spamassassin time outs

2004-11-16 Thread Bowie Bailey
From: Martin Hepworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Also I 'think' SA 3.01 contains weeds.cf and chickenpox.cf as > standard rulesets now (check in /etc/mail/spamassassin). As far as I have been able to determine, SA 3.01 contains chickenpox, but not weeds. So the weeds ruleset would still be u

Tuning SpamAssassin

2004-11-16 Thread Paul Crittenden
I'm running SpamAssassin 3.0.1 on a Compaq Alpha running Tru64-Unix, sendmail 8.12.10. are there any guidelines to figuring out how many children you need when running spamc/spamd. I know that having to many is as bad as having to few. I have tried 10, 25 and 30. Thing seem to be going better a

Re: How to stop this stock-spam?

2004-11-16 Thread Matt Kettler
At 09:55 AM 11/16/2004 +0100, Martin wrote: Hi, I'm using SA 2.6x with SURBL and alot of SARE rules. Recently alot of stock spams are getting through. I can't find any rule to catch this spam. Can anyone please give me a hint what rules to use? X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.9 required=5.0 tests=HT

Swap Problem

2004-11-16 Thread go4it
Hi, its maybe not the right group but maybe you guys have a idea anyway. Given is a Debian Box (Woody Kernel 2426) running Sendmail (9.12.10.4) amavis-new (20030616p3-1) and spamassassin (2.63-1). Within the last time i notice that the swap file space is not getting released anymore, the space get

Re: Solaris compile ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors

2004-11-16 Thread Alex S Moore
On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 04:07 +, James Marquez wrote: > Well I seem to have a problem getting Spamassassin 3.0.1 to compile. I am > running Solaris 2.5.1 with Perl 5.8.5 and gcc 3.3.2. I have been able to > install all the required perl modules. Now I want to finally install > Spamassassin and

Re: Solaris compile ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors

2004-11-16 Thread Keith Hackworth
> Well I seem to have a problem getting Spamassassin 3.0.1 to compile. I am > running Solaris 2.5.1 with Perl 5.8.5 and gcc 3.3.2. I have been able to > install all the required perl modules. Now I want to finally install > Spamassassin and I get this error: > " " " " " " " " > checking for in_addr

RE: Can't find the doc

2004-11-16 Thread Dan Barker
Thanks, that's it. It's bookmarked now! Dan -Original Message- From: Steve Dimoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:51 AM To: Dan Barker; users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: RE: Can't find the doc This page? For 2.6x http://spamassassin.apache.org/tests_2

RE: Can't find the doc

2004-11-16 Thread Steve Dimoff
This page? For 2.6x http://spamassassin.apache.org/tests_2_6x.html For 3.0x http://spamassassin.apache.org/tests_3_0_x.html -Original Message- From: Dan Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:48 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Can't find th

Can't find the doc

2004-11-16 Thread Dan Barker
I know I've seen this somewhere, but I've failed miserably finding it. Where is the doc on what test does what? I received an email that's ham, but scored very high (4.0). I want to write up the reasons and suggest changes. I need to know what each test is really testing. For the Editorially inc

Re: How to stop this stock-spam?

2004-11-16 Thread Martin
Duncan Hill wrote: Content analysis details: (9.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- 1.7 SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b Email passed through apparent spammer domain 0.1 HTML_MESSAGE BODY:

Re: Priviliges on the Bayes DB

2004-11-16 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On mandag 15 november 2004, 14:34, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: > GRANT SELECT, UPDATE, DELETE, INSERT ON TABLE bayes_token TO > thomasbayes; > GRANT UPDATE, SELECT, DELETE, INSERT ON TABLE bayes_vars TO > thomasbayes; GRANT SELECT, INSERT, DELETE ON TABLE bayes_seen TO > thomasbayes; GRANT SELECT, INSER

Re: How to stop this stock-spam?

2004-11-16 Thread Duncan Hill
On Tuesday 16 November 2004 08:55, Martin might have typed: > Hi, > > I'm using SA 2.6x with SURBL and alot of SARE rules. Recently alot of > stock spams are getting through. Content analysis details: (9.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description --

Re: Idea for better scoring

2004-11-16 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Tom McClure wrote: Without ditching the current scoring altogether in favor of a multiplicative model (a la bayes), what if there were a post-analysis scoring step that just took into account the total number of positive rules (or rule families, if there is such a division)? Instead of looking

Re: spamassassin time outs

2004-11-16 Thread Martin Hepworth
Donald I'd also check which RBL's you are using. I found quite a few problems when I had more than 2 RBL'S being checked - even with an increased SA timeout setting in MailScanner. Also I 'think' SA 3.01 contains weeds.cf and chickenpox.cf as standard rulesets now (check in /etc/mail/spamassass

How to stop this stock-spam?

2004-11-16 Thread Martin
Hi, I'm using SA 2.6x with SURBL and alot of SARE rules. Recently alot of stock spams are getting through. I can't find any rule to catch this spam. Can anyone please give me a hint what rules to use? Spam is attached. Thanks in advance / Martin Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (192.168.2.80 [1

RE: SQL user config

2004-11-16 Thread Gary W. Smith
One other thing to point out. We ran all of the testing under the user nobody and in production we use the user filter. So, when we switched over to pre-prod our bayes was blank because there were no entries for the user filter on the backend server. The fix was to modify the call to spamc to i

Re: SQL user config

2004-11-16 Thread Michael Parker
On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 11:52:55PM -0500, Rich West wrote: > > > >Now, on startup, it does mention that it was successful in getting a > >DB connection, but, aside from that, I have not seen any other > >activity relating to the database... Is there something that I have > >missed here? > > > >

Small sa-stats.pl update

2004-11-16 Thread Dallas L. Engelken
Here is a updated copy with Getopt::Long support.. Also fixed 'time' based calculations. http://www.engelken.net/download/sa-stats.txt # perl sa-stats.txt --help usage: sa-stats.txt [-l ] [-f ] [-n ] [-w] --logdir|-lDirectory containing spamd logs --filename|-f File

Re: Gentoo ebuild for 3.x?

2004-11-16 Thread Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
On Tuesday 16 November 2004 03:07, Jonathan Nichols wrote: > Hi everyone, > Has anyone seen an ebuild for 3.x yet? Or, if there's anyone using > Gentoo around here, have you installed 3.x successfully yet? :) It's already in Portage, just not stable yet: http://packages.gentoo.org/packages/?categ

Re: SQL user config

2004-11-16 Thread Rich West
Never mind.. I think I just found it.. The spamd server will not pay attention to SQL preferences by default, even with user_scores_dsn set in the config files. You must startup spamd with the proper options (ie -q or -Q, see perldoc spamd for more information). If the user_scores_dsn option does

RE: log analyser for SA v3?

2004-11-16 Thread Dallas L. Engelken
> > I've tried using: > * sa-stats 1.3 by Brad Rathbun (get zeroed stats when i run it) > * sa-stats 0.5 by Dallas Engelken (this actually claims to > work with SA v3, but i cant actually work out how to use it > coz cant find docs and cant get a usage statement) Well I know mine works with 3.0

SQL user config

2004-11-16 Thread Rich West
Now, I know I had this working with SA 3.0 and below on a previous incarnation of our mail server (Fedora Linux, SA 3.0.1, Sendmail 8.13.1, procmail), but I have noticed that it no longer picks up the individual user whitelist/blacklist information from the database as it should.. Our installat

Solaris compile ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors

2004-11-16 Thread James Marquez
Well I seem to have a problem getting Spamassassin 3.0.1 to compile. I am running Solaris 2.5.1 with Perl 5.8.5 and gcc 3.3.2. I have been able to install all the required perl modules. Now I want to finally install Spamassassin and I get this error: " " " " " " " " checking for in_addr_t... no

log analyser for SA v3?

2004-11-16 Thread Dimitry Peisakhov
Hello all, I've gotten spamassassin running with spamc/spamd and logging enabled and would like to analyse the logs to get some stats. I've searched high and low and cant seem to find an analyser that will work with spamassassin v3 log format (or maybe i'm not using the analysers right?).

Re: Memory issues have forced me back to 2.64

2004-11-16 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Trulson writes: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Justin Mason wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Scott writes: > >> I did realize I had big evil running.. Which by removing that it cut my > >> memory usage to 42MB per

Gentoo ebuild for 3.x?

2004-11-16 Thread Jonathan Nichols
Hi everyone, Has anyone seen an ebuild for 3.x yet? Or, if there's anyone using Gentoo around here, have you installed 3.x successfully yet? :)

Re: Memory issues have forced me back to 2.64

2004-11-16 Thread Jon Trulson
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Jon Trulson wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Justin Mason wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The --max-children=1 flag to spamd has 'solved' the issue for me... Sorry, that should be '--max-conn-per-child=1'. -- Jon Trulsonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ID: 1A9A2

Re: subject tagging doesn't work.. :(

2004-11-16 Thread D.J. Fan
yes, ok.. will try that.. mydefault experimental setting are these: $sa_tag_level_deflt = -999; # add spam info headers if at, or above that level $sa_tag2_level_deflt = 1.0; # add 'spam detected' headers at that level #$sa_tag2_level_deflt = 5.0; # add 'spam detected' headers at that level $sa_k

Re: subject tagging doesn't work.. :(

2004-11-16 Thread Elizar Palad
yes, ok.. will try that.. mydefault experimental setting are these: $sa_tag_level_deflt = -999; # add spam info headers if at, or above that level $sa_tag2_level_deflt = 1.0; # add 'spam detected' headers at that level #$sa_tag2_level_deflt = 5.0; # add 'spam detected' headers at that level $sa_

Re: Memory issues have forced me back to 2.64

2004-11-16 Thread Jon Trulson
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Justin Mason wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott writes: I did realize I had big evil running.. Which by removing that it cut my memory usage to 42MB per child.. What is the recommended replacement for big evil? Is it already part of 3.0.1? SURBL. Support

Insecure dependency in eval while running setuid?

2004-11-16 Thread David Gibbs
I'm getting a lot of spam slipping through SA 3.0.1 (on RH 8.0) and the following message is getting logged about the same time: Nov 15 14:24:28 linux spamd[17314]: error: Insecure dependency in eval while running setuid at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.pm line

Re: Spamassassin 3.0.1 Child Process Memory Usage

2004-11-16 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Teel writes: > Hello, > > I recently installed version 3.0.1 - here are my particulars: > > qmail-scanner 1.24 > FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE i386 > spamd invoked with: -H -c -d -m 3 -r > > My question is this: why do the child perl processes as displ

Re: subject tagging doesn't work.. :(

2004-11-16 Thread D.J. Fan
Hi, i've tried want to said but didn't work.. :( from @local_domains_acl = ( ".$mydomain" ); changed it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ( "." ); restarted amavis-new and send a test spam, still the same.. the sender recieves an mailer daemon notification, email gets quarantined and notified. the intended re

Re: subject tagging doesn't work.. :(

2004-11-16 Thread Elizar Palad
Hi, i've tried want to said but didn't work.. :( from @local_domains_acl = ( ".$mydomain" ); changed it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ( "." ); restarted amavis-new and send a test spam, still the same.. the sender recieves an mailer daemon notification, email gets quarantined and notified. the intended

RE: Can someone explain why this got through?

2004-11-16 Thread Noel K Hall II
Try "blacklist_to" -Original Message- From: Steven W. Orr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:33 PM To: spamassassin users Subject: Can someone explain why this got through? I have the following entry in my local.cf (of 3.0.1) blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] I

RE: spamassassin time outs

2004-11-16 Thread Donald . Dawson
Matt, Thank you very much - I'll give these a try. Donald -Original Message- From: Matt Kettler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 5:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: spamassassin time outs At 05:54 PM 11/15/2004, [EMAIL PRO

Can someone explain why this got through?

2004-11-16 Thread Steven W. Orr
I have the following entry in my local.cf (of 3.0.1) blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd love to deep6 these. TIA. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:53:57 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your mail to Firewalls This pre-recorded me