ally I had to make the job in awk where I then easily got the same
> effect with:
> sub(/\.?0+$/, "", foo)
>
Does that do what you want? I would think that you want "1." to become just "1"
as well.
In perl: perl -e 'while(<>) { s/[.0]+$//; print
Edward S.P. Leong wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> As the title...
> Would you mind to help ( idea / suggestion ) ?
>
I think more info on intended use would be appropriate, but unless you have a
special case in mind I would suggest using software raid, regardless of system
board.
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should avoid applications which are not packages in 64 bit, etc. For the lowest
drama I would go FC11 and 32 bit, with the PAE kernel. If stable is what you
want, that's probably the best choice. Not that the other choices don't have
some advantages, but no FC12 has been satisfa
mark anything as a dup of a bug which is in NEEDINFO status
Example: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551055
blocked for almost three weeks, other reports being marked as dup of it
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stablished a
> connection to the router. It's all in your manual.
>
That's bizarre, usually printers support Bluetooth.
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Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:35:11 -0500,
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>
>> I note that bugs are being marked as duplicates without regard to
>> anything but age. This results in blocked bugs never getting fixed:
>> abrt reports a bug, like cras
those I found, and I can LISTEN to mp3 music in gxine, just
> not view an mp3 video (or an mp4 video).
>
> What am I missing?
>
mp3 is an audio codec, if you find software which will let you view it tell us
about it. For viewing *anything* I suggest vlc.
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Hum, I expected an answer on this one, guess I'm not the only one with no "fits
all cases" answer. The only solution I found was to rewrite hal rules not to
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> Fedora-12-i386-CHECKSUM.txt, alway different. Can any one tell me what
> happened?
>
It's not sha1sum, it's sha256sum.
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::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6
>>
>> What's the deal here? I thought that removing localhost would, as the
>> comment in /etc/hosts says, cause lots of problems with various
>> applications.
>>
>
> Actually, I misread that. It wants
Robert Nichols wrote:
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Hum, I expected an answer on this one, guess I'm not the only one with no
>> "fits
>> all cases" answer. The only solution I found was to rewrite hal rules not to
>> auto-mount anything of any nat
allmodconfig
make localmodconfig
then made the kernel and installed. I did NOT make an RPM, a custom install
would be built for the exact hardware of any other machine.
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doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
>
> Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA
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Where do you find the doc for this? I tried the man page for cryptosetup, which
suggests the non-existant luks.endorphin.org, looked in the kernel source and
kernel-parameters.txt file, googled for rd_LUKS_ and generally found nothing.
The page at http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ has lots
I'm
running my monitor there and at least one more step up was available. Since I
want to be able to read the screen on a 32in monitor, I stopped where I am, and
it runs fine.
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xecute.
> There is a problem someplace, but darn if I know.
I think the execution will be fine using an xorg.comf file created with
system-config-display, there may be something in a config file created by some
other means which causes a problem. Discussed in a char room the other night.
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ing where the bugs are and what you're really using.
It's like asking for Coke and getting Pepsi, no matter how great someone else
thinks it is, it's not what you asked for, wanted, or thought it was. ;-(
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nly leave out
> information important to someone.
>
In many cases you don't want or need that level of detail. "Updated to vx.y.z"
may be sufficient. A few pages allow reading on the train, in boring meetings
if
you sit properly in the back, and in lots of places where a
hing after another. As a server it works fine, boot into runlevel
three, run all my X apps from a remote display and it works fine. The only
laptop which is useful run 2.6.33-rc5 plus a few patches, which I built myself.
Not the optimal way to go.
Good luck with whatever you install.
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sn't crash.
Note that 2.6.33-rc[56] seem somewhat better, although some adventures in
cmdline options are needed to get there (not the same on each laptop). I'm 1/3
on servers, and 0/3 on VM. I'm told my aborts are being worked on, which is
nice
but not helpful.
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Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>
>> That and putting in some hacked fork of cdrecord, I think it's called woeful,
>> instead of the real thing.
>
> No, that's a licensing problem. CDRecord's license is incompati
a bug? Is this coming from my hardware?
>
I'm guessing not, no one else seems to be having the problem.
> How can I check if there are not other similar problems in my install?
>
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>
You should read the similar thread which has been going on for about a week
(actually should have before asking), some people have had serious issues with
video support for F12.
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Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 13:45:39 -0500,
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>
>> I don't need or want 3D anything, just a working display which doesn't
>> crash.
>> Note that 2.6.33-rc[56] seem somewhat better, although some adventures in
hutdown if there is even a glimmer of life left
in the kernel. Even when the usual sysreq magic doesn't work. I have a program
I
can put on a site somewhere, but it's so simple you can probably write it as
fast as a download, a few lines does the job.
Works for me.
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ated card which you can run with the vesa
driver. Video in Fedora will get better, or it will become so little used no
one
will care. When/if decent video support returns you can get a supported card.
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," and that is to put a 2nd entry in
grub.conf, label it stable graphics mode, and do whatever is needed to get the
kernel to leave the video the hell alone and use vesa.
I don't want to run 3D, or fancy graphics, or play games, I want to have
working
X, and not have it crash all the
> the proprietary crap.)
>
Supporting Open Source is not the same thing as supporting Linux users. They
are
different approaches to selling hardware.
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system in a VM which is useful for doing 32 bit
stuff.
> In general a runtime library named libfoo.so will have a yum package
> called libfoo.i386 or some such, and a development library named
> something like libfoo-dev.i386. You only need the "-dev" libraries if
> you&#x
s.sourceforge.net
>
> /dev/sdc: Unknown USB bridge [0x0c0b:0xb157 (0x000)]
> Smartctl: please specify device type with the -d option.
>
>
> The USB bridge ,unknown
> I don't know what they are talking about, and using the -d option and
> device type.
>
>
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> Server but then yo need to know in advance the machines name or ip
> address. Using Places->Network seems easier.
I have to say that I don't see any Fedora machines on FC9, 10, 11, or 12 here,
nor would
DRM
crap embedded. Based on reports from people who have one or the other, not
personal experience.
I saw a reference to a program which claimed to let you buy from the Apple
$tore
(iTunes, iCrap?) running on Fedora.
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Just to be clear, I am not complaining that real cdrecord is not included,
>> I'm complaining that something else which works differently is called
>> cdrecord, and if I forget to put in the real thing I wind up with f___ing
Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> /dev/sdc: Unknown USB bridge [0x0c0b:0xb157 (0x000)]
>> Smartctl: please specify device type with the -d option.
>>
> There is the heart of the problem, the USB bridge in the enclosure is of
> unknown
> type, and isn't giving proper acces
info/?l=fedora-devel-list&m=121542196521553&w=2
> http://marc.info/?l=fedora-devel-list&m=121545811619620&w=2
>
Good find, another case of not only a default being chosen because the
developer
liked things that way for his system, but where the user needs to know magic to
get
mallest kernel you can
use. Clearly YMMV, but it would probably work on a xen config as well (have NOT
tried).
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that makes every
future upgrade or update faster, as any package I download is only pulled once.
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I am unsure whats causing this or how to go about finding the cause, I am not
sure if its something I have done when I installed fedora or not.
Pressing the power button on the front of my cause also makes the system reboot
and not shutdown as expected.
Thanks
Daniel.
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ork
due to firewall. See 'man route' mss section for some discussion.
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To
AR superior to me having to plow through the
logs to see if it ran correctly or not.
In general I like logs, but that's me. That way I can go through and get what I
want with perl, or grep, or sed, or whatever I need. Easier than making emails
recombine for a moving overview.
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admins do a lot of installs, at peak I doubt I did more than 30 a year,
and almost all servers, so few will be install gurus. If Fedora is to be the
icebreaker for RHEL, it has to be better.
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the machi
the hub are "spokes" which are paths for various
things like "Time & Date" and "Keyboard" and "Installation Destination".
In English we would call that a "menu item"
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stall means a good default, and clear unambiguous ways to do complex
configurations. Note, I don't suggest that "simple" or "easy" are requirements,
but ways to see the raw hardware clearly and tell the OS how to utilize it seem
to fit "unambiguous" perfe
to start services on the VM,
dhcp, mail, nntp, dns, pop, etc.
- can include dedicated user machine or app,
network mounting other partitions as needed.
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, I have taken to install with a dummy
user, then edit fstab to get the /home mount, then mounting, then adding the
user(s) with the UID they need to have and using the existing home directory for
each.
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to imagine me
staring at you with a look of "really?" Because this much effort complaining
yet no bug report? How exactly do you expect it to get better?
I've been a user since fc3 or 4, and I have learned that complaints about design
issues are treated as suggestions for future enhanc
'm doing the install.
Because of the write speed of USB sticks, I find that's a good way to do a
portable install as well, create a drive image and install on that. When done,
then you just copy to the USB stick.
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Martín Marqués wrote:
What are people here using to encrypt (as easy as possible) just one
directory (not a FS)?
encfs
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that. It just seems so much easier. And I have friends running
fc17 in VM on both Mac and Windows7, so it's pretty sure Ubuntu would do so as well.
Just curious why you took that approach.
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Suvayu Ali wrote:
Hi Bill,
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:31:20AM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marc Wäckerlin wrote:
Hi
I am working in Ubuntu and compiling RPMs for Fedora. That's why I install
Fedora in
a **chroot** environment. That works fine with Fedora 16, but fails with Fedora
17 d
me in documentation, it this normal? Does it
not drop in like KDE, etc?
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Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/17/2012 08:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
I got some questions about MATE and wanted to install it and actually see how
it worked. I started with a machine on fc17, which had Cinnamon and XFCE
installed. After doing the yum install, I don't see MATE in the li
Rex Dieter wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/17/2012 08:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
I got some questions about MATE and wanted to install it and actually
see how it worked. I started with a machine on fc17, which had Cinnamon
and XFCE installed. After doing the yum install
Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/18/2012 12:32 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Okay, so the MATE stuff is in the Fedora repository but doesn't seem to work
and conflicts with the repository which might work. I will just tell the user
with the the problem that it's not actually supported in fc17 e
atica
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ion or shock damage (within any reasonable limits),
water resistant, and immune to magnetic damage and EMP. Stored off-site one disk
covers all of my "really critical" data.
Investment is <$100 if you shop carefully.
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I didn't want to patch myself. The 16->17 was because of the kernel,
too much good stuff added to miss on my VM hosting servers. Building new kernels
and keeping the associated files current takes too much time.
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sue I had.
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ystem, be sure to use appropriate options for the sector size, etc.
You may have to learn partd, which is seriously different.
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custom systems, many of which are not on network. Doing an up-to-date install in
the first place would be really useful, and only the packages we actually use
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p beyond that.
But I am already providing the option -v 0 to keep it quiet.
Anyone familiar with this util?
PS: I tried to us ffmpeg, and it created an mpeg2 file full of warnings
of discontinuity and requiring the re-multiplexing of input.
Thanx.
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wlan0 I assume this is a
portable machine, take it to someplace with free public Wifi and see if it does
the same thing. Usual rules about security & public Wifi apply, just opening a
connection shouldn't be an issue.
Kind regards, Frank Elsner
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"because I'm to only user" is a poor habit to cultivate.
Thank.
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from his high perch.
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point of having them both on the same machine?
Bug avoidance, particularly in the import/export from other office software.
I'd love to see the code bases merge, but I don't expect to, OO seems to have
gone to a good home, don't expect it to go away soon.
Best, :-)
Marko
-
ay you
mention, we suddenly found that we got to 2nd level right away. Checking with
some folks at SCO forum (over drinks) we were told the support database had a
new "na" bit in the customer description, and we got to level 2 right away.
After one more round of drinks the SCO person ad
NAT instead.
The good old days of writing perl to convert ipchains to iptables scripts, like
many other things they are more fun to remember than repeat.
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tion?
Maybe I see too many dumb BIOS problems working with little ATOM and similar
appliances, but getting them to boot anything seems an issue, and even with
non-PC partitioning layouts I would expect to need one simple boot partition the
BIOS could understand.
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Seems to be the right option for what I do.
Before someone asks, I just set the keep flag in yum.conf, then run a script to
move packages to the master local repo, where "createrepo" updates things to
make them available.
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/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_19#Suggestion_Table
Not bad.
Nevertheless my favourite is "Eyjafjallajökull". Granted, it's a stupid
name for a Linux distribution, but the "Is a..."-explanation is
absolutely convincing.
How do you pronounce it?
Incorrectly, I'm sure :-(
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find it. IIRC the original title was "Disambiguation of unit names in scientific
nomenclature" and the proceedings replaced it with "What's in a Name?" and used
the original title as a subtitle in the article itself.
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Play" I suppose. Yes, management still is
offended by that name.
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well into most languages that use Latin fonts for writing.
Chunky, or whatever Miracle sounds a bit like a Ubuntu fan boy - sorry,
I had to say that.
Depends on your frame of reference, "Beefy Miracle" sounds to me like female I
might have dated in my teens.
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stuff?
Seems to be some form of protection when a line starts with a # (that's a pound
or hash sign) something translates it to an international symbol, +A followed by
a multi-character code meaningful to someone.
+ACM This line started with four characters, plus, A, C, M.
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of the distro, and not making ethN
the default on any system with only a single NIC, but the default names
generated do mean something, just something not needed or understood by most users.
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Linux 3.6.2-4.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Oct 17 02:43:21 UTC 2012 x86_64
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
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C is to be recognized as such.
Thanks!
Regards, Mike
It's an imperfect science. My onboard NICs also come up as p1p1 and p1p2.
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e source code of
udevd to see where and why it is renaming eth0 to em1.
What release are you running? I don't match this to fc16, fc17, or rhel6. You
must have a pretty old release, because you mentioned old style output from
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'DEVICE="eth0"' and make sure there
is no HWADDR="..." line. Reboot and you should be golden.
He's going to have to create an ifcfg file for this device, right? Will the ifup
do the right thing for an em hardware interface renamed to eth (don't have e
step and some fixup. I
noted that preupgrade offers to try to go to to fc17 in a single step, but it's
not obvious if it's kidding me or itself.
Downtime should be minimized, so it's worth at least considering. Any
experience?
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Bill Davidsen wrote:
Preupgrade used to be quite limited in capability, and restricted to a single
version upgrade at a time. I have some systems I would rather not upgrade by
hand if possible, but they need to go from fc13 to fc17, and I'm sure doing it
insteps would take more effort on my
Y_INTERFACE
Any thought will be highly appreciated.
I'm watching the answers carefully, since I have a somewhat similar problem. If
I find anything in my work which looks useful, I'll share.
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Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 11/03/2012 10:07 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
The bottom line appears to be 13->15->17, at most two versions at a
time.
I don't know of any reason you can't go from 13->16. Going directly to 17 is
only problematic because of the /usr merge, since anaco
7;ll get there, I'd
much rather stuff worked when it was released.
Unfortunately bleeding edge and works when released are to some extent
exclusive.
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y is anaconda being forced in now, when it will
undoubtedly still have warts when it is declared "working" and would benefit
from a delay to fc19.
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atter to most users is to invite a very visible number of packages now being
one revision behind. Are there resources to unfreeze all the other packages and
bring them up to date?
As the old commercial used to ask, "Where's the beef?"
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A Fedora release is a snapshot in time of newest *functional* software, and bugs
or delay reduces the usefulness or timeliness of the release as a whole. And the
installer is the one piece which "must work" for many users, I frankly doubt
that more than a few percent of users care about a
hat there is no penalty to taking a new feature off
the list of things to go in one release and putting it off until another.
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m to last for
several years. So I put Ubuntu on it for them, dual booting with
Windows, Ubuntu as the default.
Working with people who run all manner of distributions, the low point on the
problem curve has been Mint for some time, at least for non-tech folk. My
experience with people who ask
o you tell if it mounted nfs3 or nfs4, I had similar problems with
mounts failing until nfs4 was explicitly forced, so the assumption that it works
out of the box may not be (probably isn't) correct. I have seen this on fc16 and
17, skipped 14 and 15 on my servers.
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er.
Regards,
j
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Roger Heflin wrote:
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jerome Yanga wrote:
The anonuid/anongid are valid UID/GID.
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nts passed to rpc.nfsd. See rpc.nfsd(8)
# Turn off v2 and v3 protocol support
#RPCNFSDARGS="-N 2 -N 3"
# RPCNFSDARGS="-N 2"
# Turn off v4 protocol support
#RPCNFSDARGS="-N 4"
RPCNFSDARGS="-N 2 -N 4"
HTH, Frank
What release is that? I don't see that on
Frank Elsner wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:09:48 -0500 Bill Davidsen wrote:
Frank Elsner wrote:
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:57:22 -0800 Jerome Yanga wrote:
How do I change to NFS version 3 so that other UNIX variants may
access my NFS share on my Fedora 17?
/etc/defaults/nfs does not seem to exist
supported?
I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople
who would let me boot them from thumb drive.
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Bill Davidsen
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
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Lailah wrote:
El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió:
I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch screen
which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways,
including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 11/12/2012 07:55 AM, Lailah wrote:
El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió:
I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch screen
which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways,
including
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 11/12/2012 07:55 AM, Lailah wrote:
El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió:
I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch screen
which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways,
including
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